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To: skinowski who wrote (98617)	5/19/2003 10:32:53 PM
From: Dayuhan	Respond to of 281500

What if we simply don't have the time? ...What if, instead of waiting for the secularists to enlighten them in the fullness of time, they decide to bring the war into the homes of the infidels? I think that these are real dangers. These certainly are real dangers, and I don't think anybody wants to wait for secular governments to rise through any natural evolutionary process. That leaves, of course, the question of how best to promote the rise of effective secular government. Many answers have been posed, but there is no clear body of evidence yet to suggest which of these answers, if any, is likely to be effective. I do think that while we may not have the time to sit back and wait, we will have to accept that the process is going to take longer than we would like.

To: skinowski who wrote (98617)	5/20/2003 1:43:56 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Respond to of 281500

<What if we simply don't have the time?> Exactly the problem. The time span, from the technology of a shaped stone, to a shaped stone attached to a stick (an axe) took about 500,000 years. Time, plenty of time, for social institutions to adopt to the secondary and tertiary consequences of this new technology. We are living in a world of obsolete nations, obsolete religions, obsolete ideologies, wholly inadequate methods of conflict resolution (on every scale, from personal to global). <What if, instead of waiting for the secularists to enlighten them in the fullness of time, they decide to bring the war into the homes of the infidels?> This is the bogey-man we are being scared with. The reality is almost precisely the opposite, and provably so. Take any recent time period: last 5 years, last 50 years, last 200 years, whatever. For your chosen time period, list all the examples of when nations with Christian or Secular majorities, sent armies into Muslim-majority nations. Then list all the examples of the reverse. You will see, that one list is longer than the other. Much, much longer. It is Us, not Them, who have invaded, colonized, bombed, bullied, confiscated. Yes, yes, everyone will scream, "what about 9/11?" Truth is, it's an anomaly, an exceedingly rare event of pay-back. They did back to us, what we have been doing to them on a vast scale, year after year. No, we don't use exactly the same methods. The details, only the details, differ. Since 9/11, we have already inflicted disproportionate death on Muslim nations, killing multiples of all our 9/11 dead. Here is my thesis: 1. we cannot win the war on terrorism, until we end civilian support for the Bin Ladens. 2. the way to end civilian support for those terrorists, is to withdraw all U.S. soldiers, from every Muslim nation. 3. all they want, is to be left alone. Every Muslim who sees a U.S. soldier in his homeland, is being convinced that Bin Laden was right. By sending our soldiers here, there, everywhere, we are doing exactly what Bin Laden wants us to do.