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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2938)	5/20/2003 6:20:57 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

<font color=blue> You wrote:"Truth be told, none of Palestine belongs to Isra'El. "<font color=black> You are one of the most virulent liars on SI. Please don't pretend to be truthful, OK? Israel has more right to the West Bank than any of the Arabs. That makes the Arabs the occupiers and Israel has the right to kill the Arab occupiers or force them off the land. MYTH : “Israel has no right to be in the West Bank. Israeli settlements are illegal.” FACT : Jews have lived in Judea and Samaria — the West Bank — since ancient times. The only time Jews have been prohibited from living in the territories in recent decades was during Jordan's rule from 1948 to 1967. This prohibition was contrary to the Mandate for Palestine adopted by the League of Nations, which provided for the establishment of a Jewish state, and specifically encouraged "close settlement by Jews on the land." Numerous legal authorities dispute the charge that settlements are "illegal." International law scholar Stephen Schwebel notes that a country acting in self-defense may seize and occupy territory when necessary to protect itself. Schwebel also observes that a state may require, as a condition for its withdrawal, security measures designed to ensure its citizens are not menaced again from that territory.1 According to Eugene Rostow, a former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs in the Johnson Administration, Resolution 242 gives Israel a legal right to be in the West Bank. The resolution. Rostow noted, "allows Israel to administer the territories" it won in 1967 "until 'a just and lasting peace in the Middle East' is achieved," Rostow wrote.2 <font color=gray>http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/myths/mf22a.html#a<font color=black>

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (2938)	5/20/2003 6:25:56 PM
From: Machaon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 6945

You are such an len gr<font color=red>ASS<font color=black>o. Here is some more info on Israel's rights to the West Bank. Either way, if you believe in a lasting peace, you must believe that it is only possible if the Arabs are removed from the West Bank and are sent home to their respective countries. MYTH : “The Geneva Convention prohibits the construction of Jewish settlements in occupied territories.” FACT : "The Fourth Geneva Convention prohibits the forcible transfer of people of one state to the territory of another state that it has occupied as a result of a war. The intention was to insure that local populations who came under occupation would not be forced to move. This is in no way relevant to the settlement issue. Jews are not being forced to go to the West Bank and Gaza Strip; on the contrary, they are voluntarily moving back to places where they, or their ancestors, once lived before being expelled by others. In addition, those territories never legally belonged to either Jordan or Egypt, and certainly not to the Palestinians, who were never the sovereign authority in any part of Palestine. "The Jewish right of settlement in the area is equivalent in every way to the right of the local population to live there," according to Professor Eugene Rostow, former Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs.4 As a matter of policy, moreover, Israel does not requisition private land for the establishment of settlements. Housing construction is allowed on private land only after determining that no private rights will be violated. The settlements also do not displace Arabs living in the territories. The media sometimes gives the impression that for every Jew who moves to the West Bank, several hundred Palestinians are forced to leave. The truth is that the vast majority of settlements have been built in uninhabited areas and even the handful established in or near Arab towns did not force any Palestinians to leave. “Settlements in various parts of the so-called occupied area... [were] the result of a war which they [the Israelis] won.” — U.S. Defense Secretary, Donald Rumsfeld4a" <font color=gray> us-israel.org color=black>