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To: D. Long who wrote (1328)5/22/2003 6:03:06 AM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793914
 
And the Dems are dominated by the leftie loons for this election, by all appearances.


When you are in a minority position, and get down to the hard core, this happens on either end. The California Republicans keep putting up social Conservatives that are way out of tune with the Calif voters, instead of Libertarian Conservatives that could have a chance to win. The result is a Democratic mess in California.

The Dems did this against Nixon in 72 and were routed. The DLC knows this, and is trying to get to a center position. But the core left does not want to listen. The Dem primaries will tell the tale.



To: D. Long who wrote (1328)5/22/2003 12:23:59 PM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 793914
 
This process happens to both parties. The Reps are being driven by their hard right but Bush has been able to conceal that, even though he governs from there. Clinton did not govern from a hard right--he's one of the founders of the DLC.

My problem with these analyses is the right wing location of the writer, in this case, and that the argument leaves out the large number of nonvoters, which are mostly Dem voters. If the Dems could find a way to get those folk to the polls, plus their activists, plus the various population elements John Judis points to in his book, you have the serious makings of another Roosevelt style dominance.

I think there are only two things keeping the Reps alive right now: the uncanny ability of Rove to keep the hard right governing stance of Bush from the public view and the failure of the Dems to have a credible answer on national security issues. I know that's an odd thing to say, given Bush's numbers.