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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (98814)	5/22/2003 5:18:26 PM
From: Noel de Leon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"One hardly need believe in Dennis Ross and Shlomo Ben Ami as angels of unspun veracity to find your implication that Yasser Arafat and those who work for him are more credible highly peculiar, to say the least. Yasser Arafat, for goodness sakes? You find him credible?!" For goodness sakes, anybody who believes that either side is credible is....(here one can insert one's favorite expletive). The MEMRI site was interesting. Searching for David Ross's articles turned this up. CHANGING THE WORDS, BUT NOT THE REALITIES HISTORICAL SCAM BEING PUSHED HARD "The main point is what to call the status quo because everyone knows there will be no real change in the status quo". Israeli Justice Minister Yossi Beilin "...daily life won't change in a substantial way." Acting Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami MID-EAST REALITIES - www.MiddleEast.Org - Washington - 9/2/00: It's fitting that a guy like Bill Clinton should be pushing these -- a master of words and images. And its also fitting that Yossi Beilin should have let the cat out of the bag, saying in public that things aren't really going to change very much for the Palestinians, other than for some nice words burned into the public mind with a massive propaganda campaign. Of course, that's not quite how Beilin phrased it. But it is the reality of what the U.S. and Israel, with much help from the Egyptian and Jordanian regimes, are trying to pull off -- a real-life historical scam. Read the following article closely, especially for the missing analysis and perspective. But then of course, that's what MER is really all about and can be counted on to highlight. We've written about Yossi Beilin before -- see "Colonel Yossi"...earlier this year. And coming tomorrow from MER more weekend reading -- "BEACH APARTHEID"...how the Israelis are using the "Peace Process" to promote segregation and neo-apartheid in their world. ISRAEL SAYS LANGUAGE THE KEY TO JERUSALEM SOLUTION By Howard Goller JERUSALEM (Reuters - 29 August) - A senior Israeli official said Tuesday that diplomatic language was the key to resolving the Jerusalem dispute blocking an end to 52 years of conflict with the Palestinians. Justice Minister Yossi Beilin, an architect of Israel's seven-year-old talks with the Palestine Liberation Organization, said the sides were looking for constructive language for narrowing the differences. "The main point is what to call the status quo because everyone knows there will be no real change in the status quo," Beilin told Israel's Army Radio. "The question is only what will be the diplomatic title for the situation that will be created when there will be peace here. When it's titles that are being discussed, it seems to me that it's not impossible to bridge the gaps which still exist." Among the titles which he said had come up for describing the situation in more sensitive parts of the holy city were divine sovereignty, custodial sovereignty and extra-territorial sovereignty. "It's what we tell the Palestinians -- that daily life won't change in a substantial way," Acting Foreign Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami told the radio in response to Beilin's comments. Meanwhile, U.S. peace efforts continued in the region with the ongoing tour of U.S. special envoy Dennis Ross and a brief visit by President Clinton to neighboring Egypt. Clinton said time was running out for a peace deal. He and Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak discussed how to nudge the Israelis and Palestinians toward an accord. The sides have set a September 13 target for a final peace, but the date has looked increasingly improbable since the failure of last month's Camp David summit between Clinton, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and the Palestinian President Yasser Arafat. Since then Egypt has produced some ideas on how to resolve the most explosive issue facing peace negotiators -- the status of Jerusalem, holy to Christians, Jews and Muslims. Israel captured East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war and, in a claim not recognized internationally, regards all of Jerusalem as its "united and eternal capital." The Palestinians want East Jerusalem for the capital of a future state. Ross Meets Barak Ben-Ami said Clinton's special Middle East envoy Dennis Ross would, by the coming weekend, seek reactions from both sides to a "catalog" of conclusions the United States had drawn up based on the Camp David talks. Ross planned to meet Barak on Tuesday. "If the Palestinians indeed will develop a proper way of relating to this catalog, then we are in a positive game. If they should relate negatively all along the way, then it won't go," Ben-Ami said. The next key set of meetings will take place next week when Clinton is scheduled to meet Arafat and Barak separately on the sidelines of the United Nations Millennium Summit. "What's truly important is agreement between the Palestinians and us on all the details of administering the city when there will be peace here -- concerning for instance police, security, municipal services -- all of these things must be clear along with legal matters," Beilin said. Beilin said he believed Israel had effectively ceded any claim to full sovereignty over Jerusalem's Temple Mount, Judaism's holiest site, shortly after capturing it in 1967. "The moment we said the Temple Mount is in our hands and the next day lowered the flag and said we are not praying there, we gave up on our sovereignty," said Beilin, one of the more doveish ministers in Barak's cabinet. Temple Mount is where Jews believe the first and second biblical temples stood. It is also known as Al-Haram al-Sharif, the Muslim "Noble Sanctuary." The site includes Islam's third holiest shrine the al-Aqsa Mosque as well as the Dome of the Rock Mosque. middleeast.org