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Politics : Stop the War! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Brumar89 who wrote (17696)	5/23/2003 2:39:33 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 21614

Perhaps you are not really intellectually honest, one should try to come up with stuff which are not obviously false. -If you do some google on finland, ariforce,swastika I'm sure you will find the history, additionally why the german one rotates the wrong way. -How long time did it take for you to decide to not include the first line from lysator but start from the second line, skipping ----- 25 Jun 1941 Soviet air force bombs Finnish towns. President Ryti declares that Finland is at war again to defend itself. ---- Lysator is, btw, made exactly for personalities like you, intellectually dishonest internet-personalities Well, to connect to the latest on these three wars _during_ the WW2 - Gorbachev came over in the 80s to say "sorry we attacked you without reason" - the Ribbentrop agreement became the legal base for the independence,etc,etc of many of the former east block nations According to that Finland has the legal right to claim back the territories we lost, but any finn understands that the territories are now full of russians who would then become refugees just like the finns after 1939, which is obviously something we would not like. Instead we know that in some 15-30 years these former finnish cities (one the frmrly third largest) will belong to a special EU region based on St Petersburg. Additionally the finnish leader, congress were so smart that the finnish state (the people) already compensated the refugees (10% of population) in a tough program after the wars. Additionally Finland would have legal right for compensation, reparations, for the destruction done by the german army in north finland (legally after the unification of the east and west germany), but the consensus was as is that germany should concentrate on frmr east germany, as well as poland,etc ----- However, it is good that you study one of the few common sense solutions to the power politics practiced before WW1, then leading straight forward to WW2 through even more power politics, as that is once again a contemporary issue, as well as something to sort out in the future. Ilmarinen Btw, lysator is made by "amateurs", so there are some important issues missing, as well as not updated. One example is at the very start "30 Nov 1939 Soviet Army attacks Finland on all fronts with army, airforce and navy. Stronger forces in the northern areas than Finns had expected. Helsinki bombed, 91 persons killed. 'Guard Groups' delay enemy in the Carelian Isthmus." Skips the reason for the attack, that Russia claimed Finland fired at russian soldiers over the border, another thing Gorba made official when officially "admitting" it was russian special forces sent over the border to fire at the russians, to get the war going. (sounds familiar??) To understand that one has, once again, go back to pre-WW1 and pre-WW2 "power politics". I'll be happy to answer any further questions...