SI
SI
discoversearch

We've detected that you're using an ad content blocking browser plug-in or feature. Ads provide a critical source of revenue to the continued operation of Silicon Investor.  We ask that you disable ad blocking while on Silicon Investor in the best interests of our community.  If you are not using an ad blocker but are still receiving this message, make sure your browser's tracking protection is set to the 'standard' level.
Technology Stocks : Cisco Systems, Inc. (CSCO) -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64131)5/30/2003 3:05:42 PM
From: rkral  Respond to of 77400
 
OT ... Lizzie, re "I don't think its covered [edit: by SFAS 123] rkral, I don't think expensing works for IPOs."
Really? Have you checked your copy of SFAS 123 to be reasonably sure your thinking is correct?

re "For the same reason there are no options on new issues."
I am not familiar with the rules of an option exchange, eg the CBOE, as regards trading of options on new stock issues. What are they?

re "I would never give a company away like Google if I had to IPO with a valuation that reflected billions of phantom expenses on my books."
Since Google is not public yet, how do you know whether or not expensing options would have a significant impact on their income statement?

Regards, Ron



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64131)5/30/2003 3:12:28 PM
From: GVTucker  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 77400
 
Lizzie, RE: And for good companies, the founders aren't going to IPO on unfriendly terms. I know I wouldn't... I would never give a company away like Google if I had to IPO with a valuation that reflected billions of phantom expenses on my books. Who would? These companies will remain private if the equity market is unfriendly.

You have consistently stated in the past that Wall St analysts will ignore the expenses due to stock options and add this number back to net income. Now, in the above paragraph, you seem to imply that this won't happen.

Which is it?



To: Lizzie Tudor who wrote (64131)5/30/2003 5:40:11 PM
From: RetiredNow  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 77400
 
No one in their right mind would value a company based on just an income statement. So your premise is ridiculous. There a many, many ways to value a company, not the least of which are market comparables, DCF, and revenue and book value multiples. When valuing an IPO, I'd not worry so much about options expense, as I'd worry about correctly calculating the dilutive effect of the outstanding options and warrants.