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To: Stock Farmer who wrote (129450)	6/1/2003 7:36:41 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 152472

Vested interests can't make physics make the sun go around the earth, even with some judicious executions to enforce the cosmic rules handed down by ignorant superstitious thugs. True, Europe can, being a GSM centric world, enforce purgatory on their population, just as China and the USSR enforced purgatory in their realms and Saddam made life bleak for those who didn't think he was the centre of the universe [if he could get his hands on them]. The old betamax/VHS argument is a bit like the CDMA/GSM argument, but the analogy is weak at best. GSM simply can't do fast data at an economic cost, even with cheaper and cheaper electronics to help make up for spectrum inefficiency. CDMA or OFDM technology is the way to get fast data at a tolerable price. The GSM world is going for WCDMA to do it, and making hard work of it. WCDMA is also in inefficient 2GHz spectrum compared with 800MHz or 450MHz so it's probably better to use GSM1x in 800MHz on existing towers. That's a battle which will play out over the next few years. There are CDMA interests in most countries other than Europe now, so I believe the technological and economic issues will dominate over vested interests, although that wasn't the case in the GSM deal for Baghdad [an obvious case of money for mates there]. China, Japan, Korea, New Zealand, Australia, USA, Canada, Mexico, nearly all of South America, and many countries in Asia, not to mention several in eastern Europe, are all using CDMA. GSM has the GSM Guild, but it's not big enough to take over that fleet of countries. CDMA has plenty of backing. It has to show economic and technological merits to accelerate inroads. The time to stop CDMA was a decade ago. It couldn't be done then and it definitely can't be done now. No more than the Saddam Fedayeen could slow the American armour on its way to Baghdad, or stop it driving around in downtown Baghdad. Though CDMA couldn't enter Baghdad, even with USA armour leading the way and King George II as Commander in Chief, with Condaleezza Rice as Tonto and her supporter, Brent Scowcroft, on the board of QUALCOMM. Maybe Brent's widely publicized argument against the war [along with King George I's] was resented by King George II and he said "No!" to CDMA, even though it's good, homegrown USA technology and QUALCOMM pays a lot of tax to keep USS Enterprise afloat. It seems that King George II does reward those who support him and sidelines those who don't. That's power in the big league. Mqurice PS: I think the real reason for the war against Saddam was that Saddam was alleged to have tried to kill George I and George II's wife during a trip to Kuwait. WMDs were a side issue. I can understand George II wanting to nail Saddam for that. He's not happy with regime change. He wants him dead. The occupation won't stop until Saddam and Uday and Qusay are dead or imprisoned.

To: Stock Farmer who wrote (129450)	6/1/2003 8:53:20 PM
From: Art Bechhoefer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 152472

>>My thinking regarding the dominance of 4G is influenced more by the players at the table and their relative spheres of influence than on the technologies they bring to the table.<< John, what you say is realistic, but not always inevitable. Other factors also are important. VHS got the upper hand over Betamax because one could record more hours of video (initially) on VHS. The parallel here is that one gets more channels on CDMA spectrum than on GSM for the same amount of bandwidth. So technology was a key factor in favor of VHS, and it's also a key factor for CDMA. Until the mid 1930's when people wanted to repair a torn sheet of paper, they used a semi-transparent gummed tape made by Dennison's. Since that time they have switched to a transparent tape with adhesive backing made by 3M, called Scotch Tape, or the equivalent made by others, now that the patent has run out. People used to make copies with photostat machines, carbon paper, mimeographs, thermofax, etc., until the late 1960's, when Xerox came out with a better technology. Digital imaging is now replacing conventional photographic film and print processing, despite resistance from Kodak officials. There have been considerable efforts made to prevent change, not the least of which are political pressures opposing CDMA. It comes not just from the Europeans but also from the current administration, which no doubt believes something is to be gained from giving more business to Texas Instruments, one of the principal fabricators of chips for GSM handsets. Despite non-economic pressures, superior technology eventually wins. As Maurice has pointed out, it's just a question of how soon. Art