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To: GraceZ who wrote (243735)	6/3/2003 1:43:33 PM
From: yard_man	Respond to of 436258

great post. But don't you know that it is evil to let healthcare be profit driven? <g>

To: GraceZ who wrote (243735)	6/3/2003 1:44:00 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

OT There are horror stories everywhere. The Canadian situation is much better than what the millions of uninsured Americans endure. In any case, what alarms me with the US system is that we are spending a much larger proportion of our GDP on health care than any other western country and have a lot less to show for it in our health statistics. Our statistics are about average across the board -- even Cuba rivals some of our stats. Statistics, rather than anecdotes, is an objective way to evaluate a health care system, and ours gets failing grades compared to Canada and Europe, especially given our level of spending compared to theirs. What is even more alarming is that we are a relatively young country compared to Europe. I dread to see what happens when the boomers start hitting medicare, if the present system continues.

To: GraceZ who wrote (243735)	6/3/2003 1:52:21 PM
From: Mike da bear	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 436258

"simply caused by the fact that people have insurance, if they paid directly the costs would be a lot lower" In theory yes. But my pet peeve with todays healthcare industry is you can't go without insurance even if you could afford to pay on your own. For example, orthodonic work for one of my kids, cost without insurance would be $2400. But with insurance plan the rate the orthodontist agreed to accept from insurance was $800. Why the original @2400 fee if they accept $800. If people without insurance could pay insurance rates then the system would be fair. om