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To: yard_man who wrote (243737)	6/3/2003 1:44:14 PM
From: GraceZ	Respond to of 436258

But then again -- I think social security isn't and should be stopped immediately. Right, what happened with Social Security is a good argument against national health. When it started out it was something like 2-3% and now its 15%. Imagine if that 15% everyone pays off the top going directly to fund their retirement or help support their aging parents instead of into a big pyramid transfer scheme. That 15% almost ensures that no one will be able to save for their own old age.

To: yard_man who wrote (243737)	6/3/2003 1:48:45 PM
From: Giordano Bruno	Respond to of 436258

Tip, I noticed an interesting stat the other day... >>>Americans pay $4,637 on average for health coverage while Canadians, the fourth biggest spenders, shell out $2,200 (US) .<<<

To: yard_man who wrote (243737)	6/3/2003 2:24:04 PM
From: Knighty Tin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

tip, I think certain things we pay for because they benefit the nation. Health care is one of them, in my book. Roads and bridges are another. Education is another. Minimal pension is another. Why should I pay for some worker to stay healthy enough to keep a job? Because if he is healthy enough to hold a job, he pays his own way. My point about the insurance is not the regulation. It is the kind of deal they cut with the providers. Even Blue Cross, which is huge, pays infinitely more than Medicare for the same service. There is strength in numbers. Smarter workers have unions. Medicare is like a union for sick folks, though currently, it is only old sick folks.