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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (19892)6/3/2003 10:57:50 PM
From: Mannie  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Desperate and mind boggling. You got it there Jimmy.....

I cannot imaging what would happen if a tax is proposed on idle savings.



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (19892)6/4/2003 1:54:32 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 89467
 
Why assume 'the rosy future scenario' for Iraq...?

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To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (19892)6/4/2003 10:09:49 AM
From: abuelita  Respond to of 89467
 
jim-

Wheaton River Minerals foresees dramatic profit rise from Argentine gold mine

TORONTO (CP) - The president of Wheaton River Minerals Ltd. told shareholders Tuesday that profits the Vancouver mining company is starting to see from an Argentine gold mine are just the tip of the iceberg as Wheaton increases its share in the project in July.

Wheaton, which reports in U.S. dollars, received the first cash distribution from its stake in the mine - for $11 million - last week. "This cheque is important in so many ways, because this project Alumbrera was discovered over 10 years ago, they started construction over eight years ago, it started into production over five years ago and no money has been received by any of the shareholders until last Friday," said Wheaton chairman and CEO Ian Telfer.

"The next cheque is due in November and by that time we'll own 37.5 per cent of (Alumbrera) so we expect to get . . . about $17 million."

Wheaton, Canada's fifth-biggest gold producer, currently owns 25 per cent of the mine and has struck a deal to expand that stake by another 12.5 percentage points.

The company should collect two more $17-million US cheques the following year and two $30-million payments a year after that as Wheaton acquires more of Alumbrera, Telfer said. When the company's bank loans are paid off, probably within three years, Telfer said he expects to receive quarterly payments from the mine.

"We're very proud of this, very excited by it, it proves the system works," Telfer said.

"It's very unusual in the mining industry to make an investment of $180 million and eight weeks later get $12 million back on your investment," Telfer said, referring to the payment's pre-tax value.

Wheaton's performance in 2002 and the first quarter of 2003 has put it "firmly in the middle of the pack" of the world's seven or eight biggest and most talked-about gold producers.

"This was our objective when we started," Telfer said.

"None of us believed it would happen this quickly, but we're obviously thrilled at the progress we've made."

The miner forecast producing about 540,000 ounces of gold in 2004, while Canadian rival Goldcorp Inc. plans to produce a little over 600,000 ounces, Telfer said.

Wheaton reported net first-quarter profits last week of $4.1 million US. Its profit of two cents a share on sales of $17.9 million US was up from $262,000, nil per share, in the year-earlier quarter, when the company had no sales.

Telfer took over the helm of Wheaton last September after the company's founders stepped aside for a shareholder group connected with West Coast private investment banking company Endeavour Financial Corp.

Prior to 2002, Wheaton production was derived solely from the now-closed Golden Bear Mine in Canada.

Production in 2002 came from Mexico operations at wholly owned subsidiary Luismin, which owns Mexican gold and silver mines and which Wheaton acquired in June 2002

Wheaton (TSX:WRM) shares closed down three cents Tuesday at $1.48 on the Toronto stock market, compared to a 52-week high of $1.86.

© Copyright 2003 The Canadian Press



canada.com



To: Jim Willie CB who wrote (19892)6/4/2003 11:01:07 AM
From: abuelita  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
jim-



Everyone rushes to cheer at the wicked old bear's funeral

By MATHEW INGRAM

Like the delirious munchkins in The Wizard of Oz, investors are joining hands and humming a merry tune to celebrate the end of the wicked old bear market, which has apparently melted away thanks to the end of the war, low mortgage rates, cash giveaways by car companies and a weak U.S. dollar. Anyone who points to a conspicuous lack of fundamental improvement in the U.S. economy risks being ridiculed as a stick-in-the-mud.

According to market technicians -- they're the ones in the corner, huddled over their stock charts and muttering about stochastic oscillators -- the major stock indexes have already confirmed the end of the bear market and the birth of a spanking new bull market. The Nasdaq index is up almost 45 per cent from its lows of last October, the Dow is up 20 per cent, and even the broader Standard & Poor's 500 index is up about 25 per cent.

This meets the technical definition of a bull market, a rise of 20 per cent. But does it pass the smell test? The major indexes rocketed higher after Sept. 11, 2001, too -- the Dow climbed 25 per cent between September and January, 2002, and the S&P 500 rose 20 per cent and the Nasdaq jumped 45 per cent. Was that the start of a new bull market? Hardly. In the spring of 2001, the major indexes jumped almost 20 per cent in a month, with the Nasdaq up 35 per cent. Was that a new bull? Far from it.

Some technical traders are looking for more than just a 20-per-cent rise. They're looking at the number 9,053.6, which is the high-water points mark the Dow set last August. Looking at a chart of the index over the past year, they see a pattern of lower lows and lower highs, meaning each time the Dow moves up it has failed to pass its previous high, and each time it moves lower it sets a new low. Passing 9,053 would end that trend.

Technical voodoo aside, however, there is little objective evidence that things are improving dramatically in the U.S. economy, or even the global economy. Apart from the end of the war and a few helpful events such as a drop in the U.S. dollar, there is little that makes the current environment 30 or 40 per cent better than it was in October. Yes, interest rates are low -- just as they were last year. Yes, profits seem to be improving -- thanks to cost cutting achieved through layoffs and closings.

It's true that the low U.S. dollar will help manufacturers, and particularly exporters. Unfortunately, it will also help China, because the yuan is pegged to the greenback. And what country is one of the biggest contributors to the U.S. trade deficit? China.

As for the Bush tax cut, the debate continues over whether it will act as an economic stimulus and, if so, to what extent. Fed chairman Alan Greenspan said yesterday that the economy has seen a "marked turnaround," but also that "the acceleration has not yet begun."

On the stock market, however, the acceleration has been under way for some time.

In fact, in a twist of logic only economists can get away with, part of the evidence Mr. Greenspan cites for his view that the economy has turned around is the climb in the stock market -- because markets are forward-looking indicators. Of course, his remarks will then be used by analysts as evidence that even higher prices are justified.

At this point, traders are falling all over each other, afraid of missing the rebound.

Many institutions are no doubt motivated by a desire to make back some of the money their funds have lost over the past few years, which adds fuel to a rise when one begins. Valuations that seemed absurd last year -- 50 or 60 times earnings for the stars of the Nasdaq -- are rationalized by the fact that next year things should be better.

Could things be dramatically better next year? They could be. Or they could be more or less the same as they are now -- in which case, you're paying way too much for most of those stocks. So far, there has been little evidence of a pickup in the areas of the economy that count, such as manufacturing. Yes, people are still buying houses and cars, but the job market remains in the dumpster, and although the ISM index of purchasing activity was better than some expected, the sector is still contracting.

For the third year in a row, the market has seen a sharp runup in the first half of the year based on the hope of a second-half recovery -- and we know how the movie ended those first two times. Will the third time be the charm? Will the U.S. economy not only recover but start to accelerate at a healthy speed? It had better -- investors are already paying for it.

Mathew Ingram writes analysis and commentary for globeandmail.com.

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