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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (24617)	6/4/2003 3:27:58 AM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Hawkmoon, They say it takes two to tango. In the case of Iraq, it's more like 'oh what a tangled web we weave'. Your self-righteous efforts to defend Bush's lies and deceit about the reasons for war are appearing to be a thin gruel of bluster and banter. Bush lied to us. He has murdered thousands of innocent Iraqis, for naught. Actually, for Israel and the oil. But this post is about war crimes. Which George Bush and Tony Blair are both guilty of: news.independent.co.uk Allied use of cluster bombs illegal, minister admits By Paul Waugh, Deputy Political Editor 30 May 2003 The Government admitted during the war on Iraq that the use of cluster bombs against civilian targets would "not be legal", a letter obtained by The Independent has revealed. Anti-landmine charities claimed last night that the letter by Adam Ingram, the Armed Forces minister, proved that the Ministry of Defence had broken international law by using the munitions in towns and cities. Mr Ingram admitted for the first time yesterday that cluster bombs were dropped on "built-up areas" in Iraq in an attempt to protect British servicemen. After initially denying the charge in an interview with the BBC, the minister said the unguided weapons, which release hundreds of bomblets, were used "in specific circumstances where there is a threat to our troops". But on 25 March, five days after the conflict began, Mr Ingram responded on behalf of Tony Blair to the Diana, Princess of Wales Memorial Fund to set out the Government's position on the weapons. Mr Ingram stressed that the British armed forces strove to act in accordance with the Geneva Conventions. "It is clear that when we apply these principles there will be occasions when the use of cluster bombs against certain targets would not be legal," he wrote. "There will be occasions when the use of other munitions would be legal but the use of cluster bombs would not." Richard Lloyd, director of the charity Landmine Action, said the letter, with yesterday's admission, proved the Geneva Conventions were knowingly breached. "Mr Ingram has admitted the Government acted outside the law," he said.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (24617)	6/4/2003 8:18:00 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 25898

hrw.org hrw.org These photos are of mass graves. That could from anything - disease, war, etc. And the bodies could be from any time. fas.org This is neighborhood destroyed. That is not butchery. And it is well documented that the Kurds thrived during the last decade, due to their receiving oil revenues. Furthermore, it is also well documented that the Kurds have been treated worse by America's ally Turkey than by Saddam. But regarding Turkey's crimes, which the U.S. could have stopped instantly, you have absolutely no conscience, no awareness or regard to for the misery other people are living with. wadinet.de hrw.org Again, meaningless. hrw.org hrw.org A Shiite uprising crushed by Saddam? I hope you're joking by including this one. The U.S. authorized Saddam to crush the Shiites, clearing the airspace for him and blocking the Shiites from accessing Iraq weapons. themercury.news.com.au. More of the same. fas.org More of the same. Your effort is pathetic. When you document some crimes by Saddam, then we can begin this discussion - by comparing those crimes with the actions of dictatorships we have supported. As we speak, Indonesia is committing war crimes in Aceh. Tom