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To: thames_sider who wrote (100152)	6/4/2003 6:30:51 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 281500

And there's no AQ connection. (Bar one possible Taliban figure who returned to Iraq after losing a leg... we've got more confirmed British Taliban than that...) Bar one Jordanian al Qaeda captain that fled Afghanistan, was given medical treatment in Baghdad, is linked to Ansur al-Islam in the north of Iraq (ricin?), linked to the operatives that were planning ricin attacks in Europe, and ran operatives out of Baghdad for operations like the assassination of US diplomatic staff in Jordan. All without Saddam's blessing, right under his nose? Derek

To: thames_sider who wrote (100152)	6/4/2003 9:11:10 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

But you do see how our position is weak here? these people haven't been active terrorists for decades, Actually, the only thing I see being weak here, is your cognitive process.. One only has to query "Abu Nidal Activities" on google to find ample evidence of his groups activities over RECENT years. Just because he may not have attacked the US recently is not sufficient to made the incredible claim that his group has not been active in attacking US allies and peripheral interests. What terrorist activities has the Abu Nidal Organization undertaken? Many of the group’s targets have been Israelis, PLO officials, and representatives of Arab governments it dislikes. Westerners were also targeted until the late 1980s. Among the group’s best-known attacks are: the 1994 assassination of the senior Jordanian diplomat Naeb Imran Maaytah in Beirut; the January 1991 assassination of Abu Iyyad, the PLO’s second-in-command after Arafat, and another PLO official in Tunis; a September 1986 shooting at the Neve Shalom synagogue in Istanbul, Turkey, that killed 22; the December 1985 attempted hijacking of a Pan Am flight in Karachi, Pakistan, in which 22 people died; the December 1985 attacks on El Al airport counters in Rome and Vienna, which killed 18 people and injured 111; the June 1982 attempt to assassinate Israeli ambassador Shlomo Argov in London, which helped trigger Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. What are the Abu Nidal Organization’s goals? The group wants the state of Israel to be eliminated, preferably through an international Arab revolution, and therefore supports “armed struggle” against Israel. It bitterly opposes Arab-Israeli peace negotiations, as well as the United States, the PLO, and moderate Arab regimes in Jordan, Egypt, and the Persian Gulf states. It has also served as a mercenary terrorist force for radical Arab regimes. Has the Abu Nidal Organization received state support? Yes. Iraq, Syria, and Libya have all harbored the group and given it training, logistical support, and funding, often using the ANO as guns or hire. Abu Nidal began working with Iraqi intelligence while representing Fatah in Baghdad, experts say. He formed his organization with Iraq’s help and began by attacking Syria and the PLO. In 1983, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein expelled Abu Nidal and his group in an attempt to win American military support for Iraq’s 1980s war with neighboring Iran. Once the war ended, Iraq resumed its support of Abu Nidal. After being expelled from Iraq, the organization moved to Syria, where it worked to undermine peace plans involving Jordan, Israel, and the PLO. In turn, Syria expelled the Abu Nidal Organization in 1987, probably under U.S. pressure to distance itself from terrorists, at which point Libya took it in. In 1999, in an attempt to rid itself of international sanctions, Libya kicked out the Abu Nidal Organization. Where does the group now operate? It is now thought to be based in Iraq, with cells in Palestinian refugee camps in Lebanon. In 1999, Egypt and Libya closed down ANO offices in their countries. terrorismanswers.com I mean, let's face it... Abu Nidal was a hired gun who would work for whoever paid him.. (as evidenced by his assassinations of PLO officials someone obviously wanted knocked off).. And it may not have been he showing self-restraint towards attacking the US, but his financiers/employers. They likely viewed the risk of attacking the US as not being in their interests. But Abu Nidal was important enough for Saddam to knock him off.. Thus, I dare say neither you, or anyone here, is knowledgable enough about his actual activities to say he was "retired".. And there's no AQ connection. So apparently in your world we should not pursue any terrorists other than those directly associated with Al-Qaeda? Just forget about all of the other acts of terrorism committed against the US and US interests/citizens? And just what is Al-Qaeda, Thames? Do you truly understand what Al-Qaeda is? Can you say terrorist "incubator"? Do you understand that the group is HIGHLY decentralized, acting mainly as a facilitator for autonomous acts of terrorism by terrorist "entrepreneurs"? Hawk