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To: thames_sider who wrote (100498)	6/6/2003 2:16:11 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

this group took land - Saddam didn't provide them any safe haven, they took land that we'd blocked him from keeping in his dictatorship. If they took the land from anyone, it ws the Kurds, or us. Do you really believe that Saddam was helpless and had no troops? He fought the Kurds off and on the whole 12 years. He actively worked on Arabizing Kirkuk and Mosul, chucking Kurds out of their homes to increase his control of the border areas. Do you really think that this small force of of a few hundred Ansar-al-Islam wouldn't have been attacked, and attacked succesfully, if Saddam had wanted them out? Instead, Iraqi intelligence aided them against the Kurds. They were a useful proxy force. But Baghdad has an agent in the most senior levels of the radical organization, Ansar al-Islam, that controls this corner of Iraq. In 2000 this agent offered al-Qaida safe haven in the region. Translation: the Iraqi intelligence agent, who exercised control over the proxy force of Ansar al-Islam on behalf of the Saddam regime, instructed Ansar to open their doors to fleeing Al Qaeda agents. I would be a lot slower accusing other people of not being able to read, if I were you.

To: thames_sider who wrote (100498)	6/7/2003 2:45:35 AM
From: D. Long	Respond to of 281500

this group took land - Saddam didn't provide them any safe haven, they took land that we'd blocked him from keeping in his dictatorship. If they took the land from anyone, it ws the Kurds, or us. It would be best if perhaps you did a bit of reading up on Ansur al-Islam. Ansur al-Islam was not the Zarqawi terrorists. Ansur al-Islam was a Sunni Kurd Taleban-like organization that took root in the lawless mountain regions near the Iran border with the expressed purpose of creating a Sharia law Islamic state in the Kurdish north. They are comprised of former Mujahadeen from the Afghan conflict against the Soviets, and their leader Mela Krekar has admitted that he visited OBL and Zawahiri in Afghanistan and recieved support before setting up Ansar. This isn't difficult to grasp - Iraqi intelligence agents laisoned with Ansar, gave them support and training, and gave Saddam's tacit consent, in order to undermine the proto-democratic Kurdish enclaves. Ansar was an Iraqi proxy against the Kurds. They assassinated Kurdish leaders, set off car bombs and other manner of nastiness in the Kurdish enclaves. And after the US smashed the Taleban, Ansar harbored Al Qaeda refugees. That's where Zarqawi enters the picture. Sorry, you're wasting too much of my time. Have as many last words as you wish. If you would bother to do a bit of cursory research into what is being discussed, you might not get so confused. Derek