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To: Suma who wrote (20072)	6/6/2003 1:04:41 PM
From: jlallen	Respond to of 89467

Everything BUSH( and company) does is so great....... Never a dispute or question about motives........JALLEN is the same genre... He sees only one side of an issue, exempts himself from any other considerations by bashing the "sender". Another incorrect statement. You obviously don't read what I post. Another bigoted pinhead. In fact, I do disagree with Bush on the steel and textile tariffs, some provisions of the Patriot Act, the size of his budget and a number of other issues. I do not question his motives because I see him as a decent and honest individual unlike his predecessor and I've seen no credible evidence to make me fell otherwise (unlike his predecessor). I supported Clinton (as President) on many issues too, such the action in Bosnia, welfare reform, etc..... You speak again, and as usual, from an abundance of ignorance. Such is the case with most of you pinheads. You project your objectionable behavior on to my posting.

To: Suma who wrote (20072)	6/6/2003 2:10:30 PM
From: Jim Willie CB	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

QUOTES OF THE WEEK, compliments of Swiss American Trading they are a Phoenix-based gold & silver collector coin firm 800-BUY-COIN ----------------------------------------------------------- "The acceleration has not yet begun ...indications are suggestive of a fairly marked turnaround. We are stabilizing and there is some indication of return, but it's not at this stage by any means clear." -ALAN GREENSPAN, FED Chairman (see below) ----------------------------------------------------------- "Figuring out what Alan Greenspan is saying, steering a course between his "indeeds" and "to be sures" is such a mind-numbing task that there is something of a cottage industry on Wall Street devoted to interpreting Fed-speak. But the Fed Chairman's chatter is crystal clear compared with the Bush administration's mixed messages on the dollar." -JUSTIIN LAHART, CNNFN, (see below) ----------------------------------------------------------- "Right now, though, Wall Street stock promoters and their followers have the upper hand. The more they see news about debts or deflation, the more they try to persuade you that the Federal Reserve will come to the rescue. And the more they see news of an uptick in the economy following the Iraq war, the more they talk about "a real recovery under way. Watch out! It's just another great trap!" -MARTIN WEISS, PhD, SafeMoneyReport.com (see below) ----------------------------------------------------------- "How can anyone even consider buying overvalued stocks for long-term investing purposes? Yet, ever since 2000, Wall Street has been utterly ignoring the Long Valuation Waves and nefariously seducing investors into buying overvalued stocks, and they have already lost trillions by following this horribly flawed and negligent advice." -ADAM HAMILTON, "Valuation Wave Reversion 2" lemetropolecafe (free trial membership) ----------------------------------------------------------- "Europe is on the brink of economic failure. Policy makers need to go into a state of “high alert.” Unfortunately, the EMU-driven mindset shows no such concern. That must change, as the gorilla in the region moves inexorably closer to its own deflationary abyss. The recent appreciation of the euro — and the likelihood of more to come — adds a special urgency to a shift in the policy mindset." -STEPHEN ROACH, Morgan Stanley, Lessons of Japan morganstanley.com ----------------------------------------------------------- "Money is the builder or destroyer of society. An honest money system brings prosperity to all citizens - willing to work. A dishonest one enriches a few at the expense of everyone else - regardless of how hard they work." -CRAIG R. SMITH, History of Your Money (see below) ----------------------------------------------------------- "Gold's bull market is alive and well. More important, gold formed a major bottom in February, 2001. And despite its ups and downs, the major trend has been up for more than two years now. As long as this continues, and we believe it will, then gold is headed higher." -MARY ANNE & PAM ADEN, Aden Forecast (see below) ----------------------------------------------------------- "The question -- should I mess around with this bear market in stocks -- or should I take a large position in gold and gold shares and bank on the bull market in gold being the right way to go? I decided that the potential big money was with the gold bull market rather than trying to "beat the bear. And that's where I am now." -RICHARD RUSSELL, dowtheoryletters.com, 5/21/03 Read 74 more quotes by Richard Russell at swissamerica.com swissamerica.com

To: Suma who wrote (20072)	6/9/2003 11:21:54 PM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Okay, the right has been denying that Bush said anything about weapons and that that wasn't the reason for the invasion...but oops, without his press sec ari shyster to run interference bush is now speaking for himself and...... Bush Asserts Iraq 'Had a Weapons Program' 1 hour, 15 minutes ago Add White House - AP to My Yahoo! story.news.yahoo.com By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) insisted Monday that Iraq (news - web sites) had a weapons program, and the White House asked for patience during a search for evidence to prove it. AP Photo Latest news: · Bush Asserts Iraq 'Had a Weapons Program' AP - 1 hour, 15 minutes ago · Rumsfeld: Saddam's Absence Fuels Violence AP - 2 hours, 33 minutes ago · Rumsfeld: Iraq Weapons Intel Will Prove Correct Reuters - 2 hours, 34 minutes ago Special Coverage As lawmakers considered an investigation into the handling of intelligence that led to war, the White House said it would not resist such an inquiry. Two months after mobs toppled a statue of President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) in Baghdad, military experts have not validated the administration's portrayal of Iraq's cache of weapons of mass destruction. Alleged stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons have not been discovered, nor has significant evidence of a nuclear weapons program. The senior Democrat on the Senate Armed Services committee (news - web sites) warned that American credibility is on the line, but Bush said: "History and time will prove that the United States made the absolute right decision in freeing the people of Iraq from the clutches of Saddam Hussein." "Iraq had a weapons program," Bush said. "Intelligence throughout the decade (of the 1990s) showed they had a weapons program. I am absolutely convinced with time we'll find out they did have a weapons program." Bush did not use the phrase "weapons of mass destruction." Nor did he promise any remnants of any "weapons program" will be found. Sen. Carl Levin (news, bio, voting record) of Michigan, top Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he wants a full congressional investigation into prewar intelligence. "I think that the nation's credibility is on the line, as well as (Bush's)," he said. Even Secretary of State Colin Powell (news - web sites) spoke of a possible credibility gap but agreed with Bush that it should not exist. Speaking during the weekend on "Fox News Sunday," Powell spoke of the care with which his pre-invasion justification to the U.N. Security Council was drafted and said: "We spent four days and nights out at the CIA (news - web sites), making sure that whatever I said was supported by our intelligence holdings. Because it wasn't the president's credibility and my credibility on the line; it was the credibility of the United States of America." Bush sidestepped a reporter's question Monday on a link between American credibility and weapons he said Iraq had. "The credibility of this country is based upon our strong desire to make the world more peaceful, and the world is now more peaceful after our decision," Bush said. Also Monday, the Pentagon (news - web sites)'s intelligence agency declassified and released a section of a September 2002 paper in response to news media reports that it said it had found no evidence that Iraq had prohibited chemical weapons. Officials at the Defense Intelligence Agency said lines in the paper were taken out of context. The paper, provided as a study for war planners at U.S. Central Command, generally conveys the DIA's position that Saddam's regime was capable of producing chemical weapons and "probably possesses CW agent in chemical munitions" and "probably possesses bulk chemical stockpiles." Still, the paper acknowledges, "There is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons." Instead, it said Iraq has equipment, expertise and chemicals that can be used for a weapons program along with experience in using such weapons on the battlefield. It also noted "unusual munitions transfer activity in mid-2002" that suggested Iraq was distributing chemical weapons to military units in the field to fight the expected American invasion. No chemical weapons have been found in the wreckage of Iraq's military. No formal congressional investigation is under way, although several lawmakers have suggested them. Sen. Pat Roberts (news, bio, voting record), R-Kan., chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said a congressional investigation of how intelligence was used in the run-up to the war is premature. "There's a little tad bit of politics being played here," he said. "I think it's very, very counterproductive." But Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the committee's top Democrat, says he wants one, and he can use committee procedures to force an investigation. He has not done so yet. Asked about a joint congressional inquiry, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer (news - web sites) said: "It's appropriate for Congress to look at it." But, he added, lawmakers have already seen much of the intelligence that led the administration to invade Iraq. "Congress has always been part of this," Fleischer said. "Congress was provided information both in a declassified and classified manner in the months and indeed the years leading up to the war. ... There is nothing new here for members of Congress." Fleischer said most Americans feel safer because of the Iraq invasion and are willing to allow more time to the search for banned weapons. "I think there's an interesting lesson here on patience," Fleischer said. "The president has it. He will continue to have it."