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To: NickSE who wrote (100551)6/6/2003 7:56:01 PM
From: NickSE  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
I received a report of a statement an Iraqi doctor made to one of our colonels. I was moved by his comments and felt that it was worth sharing....
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Colonel, I wan to express how I feel in my heat and if you can, I ask that you pass my words to your leaders and commanders and the marines and soldiers who suffered and are suffering for my country. I want all of you to know that the great majority of Iraqis applaud your coming, your success in battle and your efforts to be kind, decent people now.

We suffered for many years and no one would help us?not even our Arab brothers. Only America had the strength, not only in military power, but also in vision, in character, in moral authority, in love for its fellowman to come to our aid. I know it is hard for the soldiers now, they have no air-conditioning in their vehicles, they must live on our streets to protect us, and they are away from their families. I want them to know that we know the sacrifices they make for us. I pray to Allah that they will sacrifice no more: too many already have sacrificed so much.

I also want to apologize for some of our young people who are not mature enough o understand what you have done and what you have given us. We have not known freedom for a long time, so it will take time to truly appreciate what a glorious gift you have given us.

Many of us blame the sanctions for all our problems. It was not the sanctions that created what we see today, it was the regime that existed everywhere, to include this very building that I work in, the Ministry of Health. It was the regime that cheated the people out of what was rightfully theirs by God's laws.

When I talk with my family and friends, I tell them that what is going on now, with the shortages and suffering, is like a surgery for cancer. Saddam was a cancer. When one operates for a cancerous tumor, one must cut through the muscle and sometimes the bone, to get the entire tumor out. After the tumor is removed, the patient's muscles and bones hurt greatly and the pain continues while healing. Over time, the patient sees a change, the patient begins feeling and doing better. That is how it is in Iraq. The Americans came and took out the awful cancer and now we must work through the pain of recovery, but eventually we will enjoy a full life, free of pain, with no fear of cancer. I want to thank all of you from the bottom of my heart.



To: NickSE who wrote (100551)6/6/2003 11:17:42 PM
From: Nadine Carroll  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 281500
 
David Warren looks at the conclusions of his reasoning. Wish I could find someplace to fault him, but I cannot.

Hopeless

I have previously described the peace plan President Bush is now advancing as the "road map to hell", and I did not do so lightly. Those who have been reading me will be aware that I am not ill-disposed towards the U.S. President, and I have tried to convey what I think are the large, but essentially reasonable, premises upon which he is acting. A large solution is necessary to a very large problem; and what became fully visible on Sept. 11th, 2001, cannot be fixed with silver bullets.

Here, before we take another step, is a bitter truth, especially unpalatable to those with small and compressive minds, who want to blame a person, a party, a class, even a people, for everything wrong in the world. Now it happens there is something wrong that has grown so large that it cannot possibly be ignored, and yet also cannot be fixed by any conceivable exertion of human will. In politics and diplomacy, such a problem typically resolves itself in a large conflagration.

Example, you may argue that Neville Chamberlain should have behaved differently at Munich in September, 1938; that he should never have attempted a peace treaty with Hitler, on any terms; and in retrospect, I agree. But the person who thinks the Second World War could have been avoided by anything Chamberlain, or any other elected politician might have done, is a fool. It was too late for that; the mistakes that had led Hitler to power had long since been committed, and were too numerous and consequential to be undone. Those who blame everything on the Treaty of Versailles, in 1919, equally miss the point: no Versailles could "justify" the rise of Nazism, which had much deeper causes, as well as much shallower. It had happened, and once it had happened, and had developed past a certain indeterminable point, there was no way out. No matter which direction was chosen, there would be catastrophe.

I fear that is the situation today in the Middle East. Our eyes may be fixed on the issue of Israel/Palestine, and Mr. Bush is addressing it for the very reason that the eyes are fixed there (rather than on, say, the Congo, where millions seem to have been killed, but in wars of only local consequence). Israel/Palestine is a proxy battle; the fuse but not the bomb. Mr. Bush's thinking is: "Put out the fuse and we may then disarm the bomb at our leisure." But he's too late; even Clinton was too late.

That dull sense at the pit of the stomach -- "no escape" -- came to me yesterday as I read the Reuters report that Hamas was refusing even to talk with the new Palestinian premier, Mahmoud Abbas. I could not tell you in 850 words how we came to this situation, only give you the far simpler news, of what the situation is.

It is terminal. It doesn't matter whether Mr. Abbas is sincere in his promise to end the Intifadah, and pursue a negotiated settlement that will lead to the creation of a democratic and constitutional Palestinian state. He hasn't the power to deliver on it anyway. Others have the power, and entirely lack the will. The whole Palestinian society is in the hands of terrorists, and it doesn't matter how many individual Palestinians approve or disapprove. Those who may actually want peace with Israel have neither the leadership nor the physical means to defeat Hamas, Islami Jihad, Hizbollah, Fatah, or even their dancing-master, Yasser Arafat. And nothing short of a Palestinian civil war could possibly remove them.

That is the fuse, but the bomb must also be considered. The entire Arab world, and most of the Muslim beyond it, is too deeply and emotionally invested in that proxy war against Israel, to embrace what must be done to avoid the catastrophe, which I fear lies ahead. As we now learn, even King Abdullah of Jordan very nearly withdrew as host of the summit between Ariel Sharon, Mr. Abbas, and Mr. Bush. He is the best-disposed of all the Arab leaders towards a permanent peace acknowledging Israel's existence, within whatever borders and terms can be agreed. The political heat from below and around was nearly too much, even for him. It must quickly become too much.

I cannot predict how things will fall out, incident by incident. Israel itself could soon face something suggestive of civil war, when it tries to remove heavily armed settlers, whether legal or illegal, from West Bank settlements; but I believe as Mr. Sharon says he does that the Israeli political order can withstand this, and deliver on very painful agreements. It won't matter, however: for the Palestinians cannot. And those who will not, can count on the backing of the whole "Arab nation". As the pressure rises, from Washington and elsewhere, to do the impossible, the point of combustion must be reached.

I'm sorry, I can't see any way out: no solution, no alternative course, that does not rest on some sort of fantasy -- everyone is trapped. The more peace is sought, the more war becomes inevitable; and yet peace must be sought.
davidwarrenonline.com