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To: KLP who wrote (100610)	6/7/2003 8:00:53 PM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

First, I was quoting Kant, so are disagreeing with both him and me. Second, "the US should let every other country in the world fix the ills of the world" is exactly what Kant isn't saying, as should be clear from the shallowest reading of the passages I posted. He is saying (many times, in many ways), that every nation has to fix its own problems for itself, without interference. And that, when a strong nation uses force to "fix" the problems of a weak nation, the result is tyranny, not freedom. He shreds all the excuses and ephemisms used by the Strong, to bully the Weak. As I have done consistently, he calls all this a thinly veiled imperialism, a case of theft on a grand scale, theft of treasure, and, what's worse, theft of freedom. <Perhaps Canada and France can fix Africa> France has had lots of experience "fixing" various parts of Africa, with poor results. Canada doesn't seem to be infected with the imperialism virus. Third, what Kant proposes (and I have, consistently), in the opposite of isolationism. He proposes what amounts to a confederacy of republics, who pool their armies, and use them strictly, very strictly, only for mutual defense. NATO would be an example. Bush's "coalition of the willing", which actually was a "coalition of the billing, bullied and bamboozled" is very much not what he had in mind.

To: KLP who wrote (100610)	6/8/2003 1:39:31 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi KLP; Re: "Well Jacob....if you are correct, then the US should let every other country in the world fix the ills of the world. Perhaps Canada and France can fix Africa. Luxembourg can handle Indonesia...etc." The funny thing is that neocons don't apply this argument to Israel. If the Israelis are such a "modern" "democracy", then why is it that they've been completely unable to maintain order even in their own cities? That the US is going to accomplish, at a low cost and by imitating Israel, what Israel has failed at for 50 years is silly. Re: "Maybe the US could then just protect our own country, and not worry about all the others in the world." The cool thing about this sanctimonious, holier than thou, platitude is that it is being used to justify the Iraq war. Honey, look in your local newspaper. The Iraqis, in general, wish that we weren't there, and regret that we arrived. Sure, there are some Iraqis that are glad we are there, but not enough of them to prevent their friends and relatives from shooting at us. -- Carl