To: Jacob Snyder who wrote (100698 ) 6/11/2003 3:19:19 AM From: D. Long Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500 1. When our army has gone into third world nations, post-Cold-War, we are 0-for-2, so far, on making democracy: Afghanistan and Kuwait. Since we have indefinitely put off elections, and the withdrawal of our army, from Iraq, it's increasingly clear we are going to be 0-for-3. First, you need to ignore examples like Panama. Second, to state yet again, we went into Kuwait to restore the Kuwaiti government, not replace it. Third, Afghanistan and Iraq are freshly minted. It took Germany four years before a Constitution was drawn up. These things don't proceed on Jacob's timetable. I find it incredibly ironic that the absence of imperial designs is, to you, an indicator of imperial designs. Kuwait for instance. The fact of the matter is, Jacob, that American foreign policy is neither monolithic nor is it the polyanna caricature of a foreign policy you continue to set up as a straw man. 2. When looking at the methods and ideology used post-Cold-War, all that's happened is, the CIA manuals have had the word "communist" replaced with "islamist". Nothing else has changed. The rhetoric used to demonize Islamists is identical, word for word, to that used to demonize Communists. And I see us doing the same kind of "lesser-evil" compromises we did in the Cold War: arming Afghan warlords, making nice with the Mujahedeen Khalq. You have access to CIA manuals? Perhaps the rhetoric is similar because the threat is similar - an internationalist, revisionist totalitarian ideology existentially opposed to the United States. A primary threat. Dealing with dirty men to get to your enemies is a far cry from your whole "creating tyranny wherever we go" thesis.3. When looking at the methods and ideology used pre-Cold War, in the period 1898-1945, again, there are astonishing parallels to current events. When I looked at Mark Twain's criticism of our colonial conquest of the Phillipines, and the Administration's rhetoric justifying it ("bringing christianity and civilization to the savages, liberating the oppressed from Spanish tyranny"), it sounds amazingly like the discussion of the current war. Mark Twain's criticisms of the war 105 years ago, can be used, unchanged even in the details, to criticize this war. Looking at the parallels to current events, starting with the Spanish American War - we fought Spain over Cuban independence, which was secured, and we gained the Philippines in a fit of confusion. Even as we planned to leave the Philippines, European warships showed up in Manilla harbor to claim the spoils, so we stayed. The Schurmann Commission 1899 recognized the right of the Philippine people to independence, the Taft Commission 1900 dissolved the former Spanish feudal system, extended the priveleges of the US Bill of Rights to Filipinos, and established a modern system of civil law and independent judiciary and civil service. The Philippine Organic Act in 1902 instituted strict seperation of Church and State. The first elections to a Philippines Assembly were held in 1907, and the Jones Act of 1916 instituted the elected Philippines Senate and House of Representatives. In 1934 the McDuffie Act created the Commonwealth of the Philippines as a transition to full independence scheduled, and executed, in 1946. Such tyranny and exploitation, that we promised self-determination and delivered as promised, within 1/8th of the time the Spanish occupied Manilla. Not only is every foreign territory the US has ever conquered free, when given the choice, they have chosen free association with the United States. Derek