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Politics : Should God be replaced? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (15541)	6/9/2003 11:22:58 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 28931

Since reality by definition is complete That may be a constrained definition. The past is complete, the present may be, but the future is not likely complete. Reality encompasses all of these states. TP

To: Bill Fischofer who wrote (15541)	6/10/2003 12:12:50 PM
From: Greg or e	Respond to of 28931

Thanks again for a another very thought provoking post. "What Goedel showed was that any formal system consisting of a finite set of axioms and rules of inference is condemned to be either incomplete or inconsistent. I will grant the incomplete, and simply say that I don't have to have exhaustive and total knowledge of everything in order to come to an accurate assessment of something. I don't need to have exhaustive knowledge of electricity to know that if I push a button on my computer it will shut down. The Trinity is mysterious because we don't have any analogies for it that don't at some point break down. However it is not logically inconsistent because persons and being are two different categories it is simply three who's and one what. God has revealed himself "generally" through creation, and specifically through the bible. The Christian position is that man is fallen and that fallenness extends beyond physicality and encompasses the soul and spirit. Therefore it is not that God cannot be found by reason but that we will not find him because we don't want to. God has revealed himself to be personal and although he is immanent in creation (in that it is upheld and sustained by his power), he is also transcendent and does not "need" anything. That does not preclude him from making judgements based on his character. Monism, OTOH, leaves no room for morality that has any real meaning. As you pointed out, it is counter intuitive when you said; "the heart knows that the nature of God is unconditional love." When we see a child being abused we "know" that that is wrong, we don't need a book to tell us that. God has made us in his image and that includes an innate morality that can only be suppressed with great difficulty.