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To: KyrosL who wrote (101133)	6/11/2003 1:52:24 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Kyrosi, You need a political wing of Hamas, much like the IRA to recognize the reality of Israel even if they have to swallow hard. The guy who the israelis tried to kill was supposedly from the political side but apparently was involved/planning the terror wave. Until Hamas has its jerry adams, we will go nowhere. As far as the 3-1 ratio goes, an israeli assault could produce a much higher ratio but Gaza would end up in ruins and there would be many civilian casualties. US had 500-1 numbers in iraq during the war. It is certainly not an outcome that i want but we have taken a giant step in that direction today. Mike

To: KyrosL who wrote (101133)	6/11/2003 2:55:55 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Respond to of 281500

. If we assume that Hamas is, say, 5% of the Palestinian population, 100,000 Palestinians need to be killed. Assuming a continuation of the 3:1 ratio of dead Palestinians to Israelis, around 30,000 more Israelis will be killed. Now you are talking like Carl. We only know the numbers of Palestinians who say they sympathise with Hamas (about 30%); the number of active members is far smaller. Lots of the sympathisers also sympathise because Hamas runs the social services in Gaza, not the PA. Nobody knows what it would take to crush them, and you also have to ask, with or without external funding? Running wars is expensive; Hamas has been well funded from Egypt and SA lately.