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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (101211)	6/11/2003 11:16:26 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "And until we have evidence of their destruction, there is no reason to assume they don't exist." Do you admit that the US misplaced chemical weapons, which then went so rusty that they could not be identified, or not? Here's a link: Seeing Through Steel Idaho National Engineering and Environmental Laboratory ... In 1988, people in the Solomon Islands discovered rusty, World War II-era U.S. artillery projectiles. The markings on the steel casings were eroded and illegible. No one knew what was in them, but something inside sloshed. A team of explosives experts realized they were dealing with chemical weapons. ... Second, the team used a system they developed called PINS (for Portable Isotopic Neutron Spectroscopy) to find out which kind of chemical agent filled the projectile cavities. ... PINS technology is needed surprisingly often. ... inel.gov -- Carl

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (101211)	6/12/2003 12:28:43 AM
From: Jacob Snyder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<until we have evidence of their destruction, there is no reason to assume they don't exist.> 1. I believe Iraq had WMD in 2002 2. There is no evidence to prove the non-existence of WMD in Iraq in 2002. 3. Therefore, Iraq had WMD in 2002. 1. I believe aliens exist. 2. There is no evidence to prove the non-existence of aliens. 3. Therefore aliens exist. Nobody can prove a negative.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (101211)	6/12/2003 12:50:06 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

Including SECRETLY shipping those weapons to Syria, perhaps (as I theorize)? Or secretly burying them in some remote part of Iraq, perhaps (as others have theorized)?? This is one of the points I see as a bit sticky. We were specifically and repeatedly told that US officials knew what weapons existed and where they were. The quantities were alleged to be large. Given our Satellite surveillance capabilities, how is it possible that this stuff was so thoroughly disposed of without leaving any sort of trail? I won't go as far as some here, but I definitely get the feeling that something is rotten. I also get the feeling that if it was Clinton in the hot seat, a lot of the people now urging patience would be shrieking "LIARLIARLIAR" at the top of their lungs. <edit> It's also worth noting that recent White House statements seem aimed at downgrading the issue of contention from "did the Iraqi weapons pose the real and major threat that was described before the war" to "did Iraq have a weapons program". This maneuver seems positively Clintonesque.