To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (414524 ) 6/12/2003 3:20:24 PM From: tejek Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 My point is that the Brits are not letting their leaders tell them a fabrication and then looking the other way. They are looking for accountability. Some Brits are. A lot, like much of the US public, think that taking out Saddam was a good thing regardless of the presence or absence of WMD. You notice Blair has not lost a vote of confidence and been forced to call an election? Its much more difficult to take out the PM than it is the President. However Blair has lost confidence among the people.......more people distrust him than trust him.The Brits have always had a stronger socialistic streak than is true of this country. They still have remnants of that aristocratic class system- -nobles and commoners- -that plagued their history. Naturally, the commoners resent this and commonly take their ill will out by electing socialist gov'ts. The United States, fortunately, has never been plagued by this. No, we get plagued by gov't like Bush and Reagan.......cowboys who like bombs and ruling the world.Churchill? Even his enemies admit he was an great man and Britain may very well have been defeated but for him. He inspired people who had supported Chamberlain and appeasement to grow a backbone when it counted. I never said he wasn't a great man. However, some leaders are good for war time, others for times of peace. I was suggesting that Churchill was better suited for the former rather than the latter.As stated, Britain's 30-year experiment with socialism almost ruined the place. Britain used to be called "The Sick Man Of Europe". Then Margaret Thatcher took the helm and reversed course. Many state industries (such as British Rail and British Airways) were privatized. In response the British economy took off and left the old socialist states such as France and Germany, in the dust. They, of course, resented this and this became the basis of the divide in Europe between Britain and New Europe on the one hand and Old Europe (led by France and Germany) on the other. The condition of national economies rises and falls with the wind. Japan was on the ascendency in the 70s and 80s, and the US economy was considered stressed and antiquated. The German economy was considered the wunderkind economy of the post war period and now is experiencing problems. The right likes to blame it on socialism. I would suggest there are other factors at play. After all, we have always been capitalistic and yet, we too have our ups and downs. And if we let our gov't leaders get away with shit, then I suspect we will have more downs than ups. Honesty and morality are the key. Subject Titles Only Full-Text Message Boards Terms of Use Silicon Investor