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To: Ilaine who wrote (101315)	6/12/2003 6:35:02 PM
From: Ish	Respond to of 281500

<<As a side bet, I don't think Bush is going to stop Sharon.>> Hey, good guess. The last bus bombing was too successful during peace talks. If 9/11 had killed 50 people and left the buildings standing do you think we would have hit Afghanistan and Iraq so hard? <<But at the end of the day, the road map will still proceed.>> Yep, there's going to be some real killing soon but the road may be paved with the extremists.

To: Ilaine who wrote (101315)	6/12/2003 6:49:38 PM
From: NickSE	Respond to of 281500

What's going with these dictatorial regimes? They're all suddenly afraid of their own shadow. :^) ~~~~~ Ayatollah Khamenei accuses US of stirring trouble in Iran hindustantimes.com ....."Four people on a street corner raise their voices and (the United States) immediately announces that it supports them," he said. Khamenei's speech was broadcast only hours after parts of the Iranian capital were brought to a standstill as thousands of protestors jammed the streets yesterday for a second straight night. He warned that Iran would be "pitiless" towards rabble-rousers.... ~~~~~ Cuba's Castro Leads Anti-Europe March abcnews.go.com .....That changed early this year when American diplomats led by U.S. Interests Section Chief James Cason grew more active in support of the internal opposition and more public in criticisms of Castro's regime. The dissidents, too, grew bolder, and Castro cracked down, sentencing 75 to prison. Meanwhile, Castro was angered that the U.S. government launched military action in Iraq without broad international support, leading him to conclude Cuba could be next. Although anti-Castro Cuban exile groups in Miami publicly voiced that hope, Washington has repeatedly said no military action against Cuba is planned. Castro's patience ran out last week when Cuba's longtime allies in the 15-member European Union expressed concern about the human rights of people he views as mere mercenaries of a hostile government trying to oust him. "If an attack against Cuba occurs, the ones most responsible will be those who signed this document," Castro said Wednesday on state television, referring to the EU announcement last week it was reviewing its Cuba policies because of concerns over human rights.....

To: Ilaine who wrote (101315)	6/12/2003 7:06:04 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

OK, we've got the makings of a real wager here. I am betting on Israel starting a real shooting war with the militants, with a lot of bloodshed and carnage on both sides. Lots of dead babies and exploded buses, lots of houses knocked down with bulldozers. Ok, but we definitely need to define our terms here - what's "low grade"? what's "lot's"?. Remember, more ink gets spilled over a dozen dead on the West Bank than ten thousand dead in Africa. I'm sure you remember how a total kia of less than 80 (both sides) got turned into the "massacre of Jenin". What's been going on in the intifada is my definition of low-grade war. If the IDF goes into Gaza in force as they did on the West Bank, it will still be low-grade counter insurgency warfare by any traditional definition, but it will attract enough attention for WWWIII. I suppose I would call it a minor shooting war, as opposed to 1967 or 1973.