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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (101655)	6/15/2003 9:59:05 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

I care too Hawk. And apart for the hard headed reasons you give Bilow, who it seems would be quite happy living in an "Islamic republic", there is a moral imperative as well. We do this fbo of all the peoples in the mideast, not just the Jews. Actually Bilow is right about one thing--a better future for the arab peoples is in our interest and that to is what our policy is all about. Mike

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (101655)	6/27/2003 10:13:56 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "And I want to do it in such a way that we are able to create regimes that have more in common with western political values, than with Wahhabist militants. We do it now, when relatively minor quantities of military strength can create a paradigm shift, or we wait until the only recource is all-out conflict and full mobilization of American manpower. I'm sorry that people like you cannot (will not) see this." The basic problem is that our "relatively minor quantities of military strength" are not effective at creating "regimes that have more in common with western political values." In the final analysis, this is a battle for hearts and minds. Our actions in Iraq are losing hearts and minds. Nor is their a path to a way out. Before the war the neocons were in dreamland about what the reconstruction in Iraq was going to be like. Hell, days before the Shiites wiped out a detachment of six British soldiers you were going on about how the Shiites didn't mind the weapons searches. (see "As for performing "sweeps", it all depends on where we're sweeping. Do you think the Kurds or Shiites give a rat's @ss about whether these sweeps create resentment?" #reply-19033936 ) You were wrong then, and you're still just wrong. -- Carl