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To: Ilaine who wrote (101670)	6/16/2003 10:56:36 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Oh, Steven. Too bad that you are turning into the kind of person you are turning into. I had higher hopes for you. Here's hoping that after November 5, 2004, you'll regain your bullshit detector and your sense of balance. Still attacking other posters, huh, CB.

To: Ilaine who wrote (101670)	6/16/2003 11:01:00 AM
From: Win Smith	Respond to of 281500

To bad for you, CB, that in your self-styled "civility" you've decided that anybody not 4-square behind the conservative propaganda line du jour is guilty of "political hatred", just like the official conservative line on anybody opposed to Rummy's war plans was that they "hated America". Conservatives are a bit obsessed with the hatred thing, it seems. They certainly understand the uses of political hatred well from the Clinton years, which may or may not explain something.

To: Ilaine who wrote (101670)	6/18/2003 12:37:22 AM
From: Dayuhan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Here's hoping that after November 5, 2004, you'll regain your bullshit detector and your sense of balance. The bullshit detector is working rather well. It rings so loudly every time I come here that I’ve started avoiding the place. As for Iran, I think the people in Iran are going to take matters into their own hands - with help from our government, of course, acting as something closely resembling a midwife. We’ll see, won’t we? I get the feeling that many reports from Iran are heavily influenced by wishful thinking, but that’s only a feeling. We’ll know on July 9. If the rally pulls well up in the hundreds of thousands, or if people shoot at them, the mullahs are in trouble. Otherwise, don’t hold your breath. Remember how it went when they tossed the Shah? A hundred thousand in the streets, the SAVAK boys open fire, two hundred thousand at the funeral? When we see that, I’ll be optimistic. The last reported rally pulled 3000, and a rally of 3000 in a university town means as much in Iran as it does here. Nothing. This, ordinarily, would be something you professed to admire, but you won't be able to stomach it if it's done under Bush instead of, say, Clinton or Gore or John Kerry or John Edwards. Have I ever “professed to admire” the use of war as a preferred instrument of policy? Where? The possibility that the administration deliberately distorted intelligence in order to rally support for a war is under discussion. Are you convinced that this could not have happened, or do you just not care?