You know, I didn't exactly invent Rummy out of thin air. Sort of an unfortunate nickname, given the colloquial meaning of the word, but it was, actually, in pretty wide use before I picked up on it. Lame and broken SI search currently returns the following for siliconinvestor.com ,, a local search on the word. I don't think very many of these are from moi
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: May 9, 2003 8:59 PM
>>seeming lack of planning for reconstructing <<
The extend and thoroughness of the looting set back reconstruction by months. The plan was to rely largely on the existing civilian infrastructure. You can't do that if the civilians have no chairs an ............ 892 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: May 4, 2003 5:19 PM
Iraqi Nuclear Site Is Found Looted
"...the war has dispersed the country's most dangerous technologies beyond anyone's knowledge or control..."
Unintended consequences start rearing their ugly head. Why we didn't treat these well kno ............ 631 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: May 2, 2003 10:56 PM
Krauthammer spoke well of Abu Mazen, which surprised and impressed me.
I will put it on the recorder, and watch when I get back from Willies. Hope the Rose show on Rummy is interesting. You are 6 hours ahead of me.
This constant push from ............ 388 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: May 2, 2003 7:58 PM
Wheee! "Charlie Rose" is going to "Bad Mouth" Rummy tonight!
A PROFILE OF DONALD RUMSFELD with
FAREED ZAKARIA, Editor, Newsweek International
MICHAEL O?HANLON, The Brookings Institution
TOM RICKS, The Washington Post
KEN ADELMAN, Defense Departm ............ 418 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: May 1, 2003 5:34 PM
> I thought Germany announced they were going to downsize the military and only use military for peace keeping.
I must have missed that one. It does make sense for Germans to favor peace keeping missions top priority, but I don't know about downsizi ............ 21375 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 6:54 PM
> Both Bush administrations do seem to have a problem with talking straight to the public.
Thank you. So when you say I don't understand the neocon position, I think it is more accurate to say I answer the position that is being advertised. I don't ............ 2491 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 3:43 PM
No changing of subjects here...so you want Carter's prize fine with me. But Carter is not in public life anymore. Rummy is. So tell us what is your take on this. ............ 164 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 5:17 AM
and what are the facts with regards to Rummy boy?...
that he went on his two feet to Saddam years ago to cut deals AND served on the board of directors of a company which sold nuclear plants to North Korea...An interesting background for a hardline Ne ............ 320 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 30, 2003 12:49 AM
Hello s2,
This guy Rummy has quite a track record...
what exactly are you suggesting we conclude from this information? It means nothing to me for example. Give me some help here...
--fl ............ 204 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 29, 2003 9:53 PM
This guy Rummy has quite a track record...
fortune.com
<<...Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld rarely keeps his opinions to himself. He tends not to compromise with his enemies. And he clearly disda ............ 734 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 28, 2003 4:45 PM
Right. And Rummy would never lie, would he? He won the war. Never mind that the war he fought was essentially Pollack's war.
What a hoot!
Too funny.
I now fully capture Ornstein's insight that there are elements on the left who hate the ............ 323 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 28, 2003 3:00 PM
Right. And Rummy would never lie, would he? He won the war. Never mind that the war he fought was essentially Pollack's war.
??????????????????????????????? What does that mean???
Have you EVER said the current Administration has EV ............ 277 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 28, 2003 1:26 PM
Right. And Rummy would never lie, would he? He won the war
So who do you trust more, Win, Baghdad Bob? Your response speaks volumes. ............ 142 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 28, 2003 1:11 PM
Right. And Rummy would never lie, would he? He won the war. Never mind that the war he fought was essentially Pollack's war. Not Neocon war plan 1, which was Chalabi + air power, aka Bay of Pigs redux. Not Neocon war plan 2 either, which was 50k troo ............ 528 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 28, 2003 10:10 AM
Well, Maureen must have had her spies in there on "sneer alert," because I doubt if SHE was invited. (What's the symbol for having one's nose in the air?
Of course she wasn't invited, Safire may have been, though. You can correct me if I'm wro ............ 832 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 28, 2003 9:46 AM
I loved that column, to the point where I was going to post it myself. Would have been a little rude of me, since the primary local posters of bloviating punditry seem to have gone missing, but it was just too juicy. Some favorite parts:
The amb ............ 2229 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 27, 2003 11:47 PM
He's Out With the In Crowd
____________________________________________
By MAUREEN DOWD
OP-ED COLUMNIST
THE NEW YORK TIMES
April 27, 2003
WASHINGTON - The swank cocktail party celebrating the fall of Baghdad was the hot ticket on Embassy R ............ 4622 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 25, 2003 12:34 PM
Stories like this Bill will turn out to be far more important in the long run than concentrating on the Shiites at a religous gathering. I liked what Rummy had to say yesterday about an iranian islamic state in iraq. Democracy is far more than just major ............ 424 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 24, 2003 4:42 PM
As the article clearly says, the Europeans helped with the Carrots and Sticks that worked on Arafat. The Europeans could have decided to undermine us, or just do nothing. So, yes, they did get a "vote". Notice, also, that the necessary ingredient for suc ............ 402 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 24, 2003 3:20 PM
News on CNBC: NK says they have nukes, explicitly threaten to sell them to others; U.S. ends talks.
That didn't last long.
We seem to have reached the point where both sides rely entirely on Force and the Threat of Force, to achieve their goals. ............ 1461 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 24, 2003 1:37 PM
OT: You will like this one. Will Rumsfeld kick Newt off the Defense Policy Board; if not, suspicions are in place that Rumsfeld played a role in his talk. If so, how will the White House read that?
POLITICS & PEOPLE
By AL HUNT
A Loose Cannon</b ............ 6205 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 24, 2003 11:45 AM
In retrospect, Rummy was wrong
He was right that a relatively small military force could conquer Iraq. But evidently a much larger force is needed to effectively control and reconstruct Iraq after the war was won. And since the aftermath is much mor ............ 1425 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 23, 2003 10:09 AM
Franks faces Belgium 'genocide' case
That's a sily case to impugn an ICC with. Any decent conception of an ICC would have multiples ways in which such cases could be brought but not considered seriously. Major powers and all that.
But a repl ............ 4753 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 21, 2003 10:26 PM
I think it's important that Sr. officials carefully
word what they say.
Rummy is the operational definition of "parsing his words." That is why, when you watch him being questioned, he will almost always repeat or rephrase the question. Make ............ 336 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 21, 2003 8:57 PM
"Colonialism is UnAmerican"
The most powerful theme or meme of the last half-century has been anti-colonialism. It's what the U.N. is all about, it's what the poorer countries use to guilt-trip the richer. The. U.S. role in ending colonialism ............ 1786 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 20, 2003 8:23 AM
Both the Washington Post and the New York Times are going all out this Sunday with terrific articles. This one is headlined about Rummy, but is really about SO and the Apache Helicopter, among other Military problems. A couple of excerpts and the URL.
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Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 19, 2003 11:10 PM
The rise of Donald Rumsfeld. "Atta Boy, Rummy!" NEW YORK TIMES
After the War, New Stature for Rumsfeld
nytimes.com. ............ 215 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 19, 2003 12:57 AM
If it is in a year, after basic services are restored, and everyone is employed in rebuilding, it is possible the hard-line religionists will lose support. After all, they thrive in poverty and oppression.
I agree, SH. And one of the big dif ............ 878 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 18, 2003 8:33 AM
Good article on what we are accomplishing with the drones. We need to up the money spent on our hi-teching our grunts, such as has been done with the 4th ID, and cut the money for the Raptor and the STF programs. Our fighter/bombers are better than anyon ............ 2250 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 17, 2003 6:56 PM
Howard Kurtz, An Untidy Aftermath washingtonpost.com
[ Kurtz' media roundup from a few days back (4/14) tracking the evolving line on looting. From "well deserved fun" to "oops", I don't know if ............ 16707 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 17, 2003 6:43 PM
The Bush administration, intensifying its so far fruitless search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq . . .
Gee, you never would have guessed the "so far fruitless" part from reading the breathless regurgitation of every rumored "discovery ............ 2060 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 16, 2003 4:56 PM
Experts' Pleas to Pentagon Didn't Save Museum nytimes.com.
[ My understanding is that responsibility for stuff like this is fairly clear under the Geneva Conventions, but it's also my ............ 1973 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 9:33 PM
Debka has been right more than wrong? Pretty easy to say when they wipe the site clean every few days. Given what's been posted from Debka here over the past year or so, I find any claim that Debka is more reliable than the NYT pretty preposterous. Yo ............ 1266 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 14, 2003 3:32 PM
I am sure it was lawless. But these journalists write as if they have no conception of what a war is. One regime fell - crumbled so completely that there is no one left to surrender (even in WWII that wasn't true), the people were released from 30 years ............ 653 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 12, 2003 2:08 PM
Meanwhile, back in the real world.
Movers and shakers have moved on to the next 'disaster'
By Mark Steyn
telegraph.co.uk.
On to the next quagmire! Don't get mired in the bog of yeste ............ 5072 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 12, 2003 5:43 AM
Wonder how much the guy with the vase will get at the swap meet for it?
You mean the guy with all the vases in Iraq? How many times did he take the same vase out of that building? Rummy got a good laugh with this yesterday. ............ 234 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 12, 2003 5:32 AM
And then we all talk about looting in Iraq by Iraqis as if that was the "biggest sin/horror" event.
Pretty stupid. As Rummy would say, "Looting Happens."
Derek ............ 175 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 12, 2003 3:29 AM
>>CNN is in full tilt quagmire mode tonight.<<
I flipped through all the news channels (there are many) that come on at 10:00 p.m. local, to see a photo montage of stentorious voices intoning "chaos" and "anarchy".
Got a taste of the BBC sneer at ............ 540 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 12, 2003 12:50 AM
I am watching a reprise of the news on PBS at the moment. The "Looting" story seems to be what the media is pushing, and Rummy has nailed them pretty well.
One thing I noticed in the TV from Iraq is that the people are looting the Government offices ............ 796 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 11, 2003 9:16 PM
At least CNN doesn't sneer when they mention Bush or Rummy, like the Beeb does...
There is no way that Blair, et al, don't know what the BBC has been doing. Now that they are in the driver's seat, I expect some very quiet changes to be made. N ............ 356 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 11, 2003 9:00 PM
At least CNN doesn't sneer when they mention Bush or Rummy, like the Beeb does... ............ 81 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 11, 2003 7:52 PM
>> I will remain skeptical of all reports<<
Good idea. Rummy won't release information until the US establishes a chain of custody, and collects samples to be analyzed by several different nations, so nobody will say we planted it.
I am hoping tha ............ 527 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 9, 2003 6:44 AM
Thank God we have all of our military volunteers and an older experienced generation to support them
You may disagree, but I am delighted we have Rummy. When he came in Armor was running things. He sent plan after plan back to Franks demandin ............ 828 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 9, 2003 6:22 AM
Looks like Rummy is getting his way in Korea. Go South...
news.bbc.co.uk
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US army to move S Korea base
South Korea is home to about 37,000 US tro ............ 1225 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 8, 2003 8:09 PM
Charlie Rose has three lefty's and Brooks on tonight. Reminds me of the old "Capital Gang" days. Richard Holbrooke surprised me last night. He sounded like Rummy on who should be in charge in Iraq during the Nationbuilding.
CONTINUING WAR COVERAGE
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Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 8, 2003 5:02 AM
One small addition
I read this post to me, and went "Huh?" After reading the others, I realized what happened.
U.S.Missiles Hit Al-Jazeera Office,One Killed
This story sounds like either a tank or A-10 hit, aimed at some Iraqi fi ............ 491 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 6, 2003 11:56 PM
The Brits took damn all time about it. I was beginning to think it was a replay of "Market Garden." Here is Safire's version of the Ireland conference.
>>>>> Blair: Memorable locution. Now the first thing we want to do after the war ??
Bush: Hold o ............ 3592 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 6, 2003 2:13 PM
I, of course, hope that Rummy and co win out. Only way to go, IMO. We are going to get blamed no matter how Iraq goes, so we might as well run the whole thing. Trying to "Window dress" part of it with UN/EURO help will only make things worse, and we will ............ 479 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 6, 2003 1:12 PM
"Neocons vs Realists" Time Magazine's version of how the battle is going.
Clash of the Administration Titans
Old rivals Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld square off in a new battle over how to rebuild a post-Saddam Iraq
By MICHAEL DUFFY AND MASSIMO ............ 7657 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 6, 2003 6:38 AM
After this action, we should hear a lot less noise about SF from the Armor Generals who have been running things. These guys got into Afghanistan in spite of the Army, and Rummy had to force the Brass to use them as much as we have. Sounds like we lost a ............ 25946 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 5, 2003 1:12 AM
"Words are beautiful, but deeds are true."
To add a Rummy note to this threat - Words - blech, Deeds - blech, Results are what matter.
Paul ............ 156 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 4, 2003 8:08 PM
The reason that it will go well is because
they will not deal with Rummy, Tori,
Cheney, Condi, Bush or Ari.
They will deal with our military.
And they are the true
face of America at its best.
They believe in the real America
and those values w ............ 697 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 4, 2003 2:39 PM
Resistance in Iraq and here at home
By MAUREEN DOWD
SYNDICATED COLUMNIST
Friday, April 4, 2003
seattlepi.nwsource.com
<<...WASHINGTON -- The president and his war council did not expect so much heavy guerrill ............ 1781 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 3, 2003 7:32 PM
But I find it hard to believe that even Bashar Assad would be that stupid
He has been aiding Iraq this last week in spite of Public repeated public warnings by Rummy. Looks like he is that stupid. And the reports we are reading about the Crazy ............ 314 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 3, 2003 1:48 PM
Al Hunt's words of wisdom for the day.
Poor old Al Hunt. Gotta lot of crow on his plate, doesn't he? I see he can't quit pushing the Canard about the troop level. He knows there were two different segments to the debate.
1) The change in ............ 841 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 3, 2003 9:44 AM
Skin,
Re: Peters
See, one can be critical of the DOD and Rummy without losing perspective. If the end game of this war goes well over the next few days, do we think that anyone on this thread will reconsider any of their prior positions on the war in ............ 358 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 3, 2003 7:43 AM
I think Kelly is accurate, and God, the man can write.We are obviously moving the 1st Marines and the 3rd Mech as fast as they want to go right now. No real opposition. No word on what has happened to the three RG north of Baghdad, but we are probably wi ............ 1648 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 3, 2003 4:53 AM
Charlie Rose opened with two embedded reporters. Fred Balfour, from Business Week, is with 3rd Inf. He said being embedded was like summer camp. You spend 24/7 with the same guys, and you bond. He said he was against the war, and had discussions with the ............ 1477 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 2, 2003 11:13 AM
Her piece is rife with inventions of "fact" that are used as a foundation for her opinion. It's an unfortunate but all too common habit of NY Times opinion writers. If you think her piece is any more valid than one from worldnetdaily, you are not being o ............ 681 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 2, 2003 10:42 AM
Speaking of which, here is Maureen Dowd's column for today.
Warring Tribes, Here and There
By MAUREEN DOWD
nytimes.com
WASHINGTON
The president and his war council did not expect so much heav ............ 4531 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 2, 2003 5:53 AM
When you read this, BBM, it makes you think that Central Control by Saddam is gone. We can pretty well have our way with the remnants of the Medina and Baghdad Divisions. The question now is what the other three to the north will do. Reports are that th ............ 2115 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 2, 2003 2:18 AM
One thing to note is that there are 200,000+ Iraqis in Iran. Iran is claiming that many of these people want to go back to Iraq and that Iran has no right to prevent their return. US is claiming that these people have political agendas. They may both ............ 637 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 1, 2003 5:14 PM
New Strategy Slower And More Methodical washingtonpost.com
[ A contrarian article on current "the war's going just like Rummy planned it" dogma ]
Planners Use '91 Persian Gulf War as Guide
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Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 1, 2003 4:22 PM
I see Rummy and Meyers are tired of your bitching also. Why don't you quit complaining and enjoy the trip. As my and your Mother used to say, "Look out the window and enjoy the scenery."
April 1, 2003
Rumsfeld and Myers Assail Complaints About War St ............ 1781 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 1, 2003 2:50 PM
Press is taking Rummy apart.
He's losing it live!
Rascal@ realitytv.com ............ 75 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Apr 1, 2003 1:38 PM
I just realized that many, if not all, of the most recent additions to my Ignore list are people who started ranting about "what we need to do to win the war!" I bet Rummy and Franks wish they had Ignore buttons.-g- ............ 216 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 31, 2003 8:57 PM
Oh, yeah, Hersh always has the straight story doesn't he? Especially when his story agrees with your dislike of Rummy. No one is going to dignify the story by commenting on it. It is all unnamed sources, and even Raines wouldn't run tripe like that. Alth ............ 782 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 31, 2003 3:55 PM
Several senior war planners complained to me in interviews
Come on, John. You are letting your dislike of this admin overload your good sense. As I posted the other day, the senior Princes in the Pentagon are using the normal "friction" of war ............ 596 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 31, 2003 2:27 AM
I always knew Rummy wanted the troops deployed. He was advised to wait to re-establish a nortthern front by alternative means. He did not want to wait.
I think it's a legitimate criticism. ............ 191 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 31, 2003 1:42 AM
I don't have a dick, nor do I have balls, but I have ovaries, which are as good as balls
I'm impressed that you would jump immediately to the conclusion that he was talking about you. Were you the biggest swinging dick or the littlest ............ 579 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 31, 2003 1:05 AM
I told a story about Rummy telling Myers not to answer a question, and the place I learned it was in the newspaper. Someone with a big fat mouth leaked it.
That's exactly what Rummy doesn't want. And I am glad.
And I'm glad for you.
jtt ............ 257 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 30, 2003 8:41 PM
I told a story about Rummy telling Myers not to answer a question, and the place I learned it was in the newspaper. Someone with a big fat mouth leaked it.
Supposedly, Bush asked Myers ( I thought it was Franks?) a question and Rummy interrupte ............ 484 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 30, 2003 6:40 PM
>>President Bush being in the loop<<
How on earth do you know what Rumsfeld and Bush talk about when they are in private?
I told a story about Rummy telling Myers not to answer a question, and the place I learned it was in the newspaper. Someone w ............ 343 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 30, 2003 6:28 PM
>>And it's silly.<<
No, you're being a big baby. Maybe if you hold your breath until you turn blue and kick your feet and scream Rummy will tell you how long the war is going to last.
Not. ............ 195 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 30, 2003 11:47 AM
"Have I missed the discussion of Rummy and the generals?"
I can see that Rummy and the Generals is pretty well covered in the Press on the morning shows.
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"And have the Neocons weighed ............ 936 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 30, 2003 5:48 AM
"Three hundred miles, relatively few casualties, and almost no armored vehicles lost." <<
Our anti-war posters don't want to hear this, BBM, they just want to sneer at Rummy. The Perfumed Princes in the Pentagon have gone into full combat mode. ............ 1287 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 9:10 PM
HI LB,
I'm days behind on the thread.
I'm wondering if I missed your comments on:
Plan one: "Get the Bastard!" Plan two: Let them install a Government when they get though waving flowers and dancing for joy in the streets of Baghdad,
(87675)
ht ............ 463 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 7:35 PM
Why don't you do some research on what our combat veterans were telling Rummy before the war? When Turkey rejected our troops, the Pentagon virtually begged Rumsfeld to bring in the troops by air(albeit slowly). He was told he could still have a lighter ............ 443 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 7:31 PM
Agreed, but these rules do not apply to Iraq, and the top brass knew it. The New Yorker has an article coming out which goes into detail about Rummy's defiance of the military establishment.
Again, I'll take the advice of combat vets over the Princet ............ 281 characters
Subject: Foreign Affairs Discussion Group
Posted On: Mar 29, 2003 7:16 PM
Report: Rumseld Ignored Pentagon Advice on Iraq
Saturday, March 29, 2003; 5:33 PM
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld repeatedly rejected advice from Pentagon planners that substantially more troops and armor would be nee ............ 852 characters |
