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Politics : Support the French! Viva Democracy! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: E. T. who wrote (1225)	6/18/2003 8:06:45 AM
From: zonder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 7841

The U.S. helped Iraq in the 80s when it suited its geopolitical aims, as opposed to France, whose interest in propping up the Iraqi peoples oppressor has been largely financial Assuming that is correct, how is what US has done any better than what France has done??? "Geopolitical aims" versus "financial aims". How is the former any better than the latter, as the reason to support an oppressive dictatorship? Btw, X is a "Madame", not a "Monsieur".

To: E. T. who wrote (1225)	6/18/2003 8:20:33 AM
From: Tom Clarke	Respond to of 7841

France is presently buddying up to the mullahs in Iran French police conduct raid on Iran opposition group By Laure Bretton REUTERS 5:48 a.m., June 17, 2003 PARIS – French police Tuesday raided a left-wing Iranian exile group based in the Paris region, rounding up 167 alleged sympathizers for questioning over possible links to terrorism, and seizing $1.3 million in funds. The Interior Ministry said about 1,300 police and national security officers descended on homes and the office of the People's Mujahideen about 6 a.m. in a raid ordered by leading anti-terrorist investigating judge Jean-Louis Bruguiere. Television pictures showed masked riot police equipped with automatic rifles as they stormed houses, with helicopters circling overhead. Soon afterward, some officers were seen carrying boxes of files and paperwork from the raided premises. Among those detained was Miryam Rajavi, wife of Mujahideen founder Massoud Rajavi and head of the exile umbrella group National Council of Resistance of Iran, police said. Nine people were released immediately, while the rest were detained. Police said they also seized $1.3 million in $100 bills from the Mujahideen, the main armed opposition to Tehran's Islamic leadership, along with computers and communications equipment. The Mujahideen joined the 1979 Islamic revolution but later broke from the ruling clerics. Based in Iraq since the early 1980s, their fighters clashed with U.S. forces in the recent Iraq war but reached a truce with them last month. The European Union put the group – also known by its Farsi name Mujahideen-e-Khalq – on its list of banned "terrorist" organizations in May 2002 but did not include the NCRI. The United States and Britain also classify the Mujahideen as terrorists. LINKED TO EU PLANS? The NCRI, a coalition of moderate or left-wing opponents of Islamic rule of which the Mujahideen is the military arm, has offices in Washington and many European countries, and presents itself as a potential replacement for Islamic rule in Iran. Diplomats said Paris may have moved against the Mujahideen – something Tehran has long demanded – to bring Iran into a wider search for peace in the Middle East, where Washington accuses it of supporting Lebanon's Hizbollah against Israel. The United States has no official ties with Iran and has branded it part of an "axis of evil," while the European Union promotes trade with Tehran as a way of achieving more influence. The NCRI promptly denounced the arrests and called for the immediate release of all detainees. "We condemn this raid which is in our view illegal and morally and politically unjustifiable," London-based NCRI official Ali Safavi told Reuters by telephone. "This action is part of a dirty deal (by the EU) with the terrorists who rule Tehran," he said. signonsandiego.com

To: E. T. who wrote (1225)	6/18/2003 9:15:13 AM
From: epicure	Respond to of 7841

ROFL high moral tone? about what? about who? This thread is about one action. That's it. A vote in a democratic body- and yes, in general I'm for votes of democratic bodies, but other than that? Morality? I'm a relativist. If I say something is "bad", or "disgusting" I'm speaking purely for myself. I suppose ideally I have high standards, but I do not expect anyone to live up to them, except me. I HOPE you have high standards too- I'd like to think most people do, but judging from how they live their lives, I'd say most people do not (or they simply fail miserably in living up to their standards). "Whining" about WMD? It's not the WMD, it's the lying about them. You guys understood that about Monica, but you just don't get it when it's lying that lead us into a WAR. Now why might that be? :-) I think I know the answer to that.