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Politics : Support the French! Viva Democracy! -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: gwb-trading who wrote (1327)6/24/2003 11:35:45 AM
From: Dale Baker  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 7841
 
Hundreds of churches are attacked in the US every year, it keeps the FBI very busy (mostly by white supremacist groups, it seems). Books with wacky theories on 9/11 and everything else abound in America. You don't offer any proof of fundraising support, but various US groups have supported terrorists like the IRA for decades (and a fair amount of Islamic terror too, most likely).

If those are your criteria, then France is no different than America - you just have an emotional need to paint that picture. Did you know that visa applications to visit the US are down 15-20% in the past year because of the way many foreigners feel they are treated there now?

Someone mentioned oil companies earlier too. Between US oil companies and the CIA, the US is directly responsible for much of the carnage in the Angolan civil war, including thousands of amputees maimed by landmines. We played both sides, took the oil dollars and let the ordinary people get nailed, as usual.

The moral goody-baddy game in international relations is meaningless among the major powers. They all have lots of dirty laundry.

It's all on the record if you dig up both sides.



To: gwb-trading who wrote (1327)6/24/2003 11:36:49 AM
From: zonder  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7841
 
Now many of the expatriates that I met in France have moved back to the US within the last 6 months.

So my guess turns out to be correct. You did live in France and in all likelihood, your rabid anti-French behaviour is based on some prejudice you have against the French, and all this "Elf did this, Chirac did that" is just the confetti.

Their kids have
been spit on, their houses have cruel graffiti painted on
them, and in one case a fire-bomb was thrown through the
window


You've got to be kidding me. Do you have articles talking about all this or are you just making them up?

Maybe it is time for the people on this list to wake up to the reality of what is occurring in France

I live there. What would YOU know of "the reality" in France?

How many places of Jewish worship have been burned in the last year?

Repeat after me: "Synagogues".

How many more books will be published in France stating that 9/11 did not take place?

What are you talking about?

How much more money will be collected to support terrorist groups such as Hamas in France?

Again, what are you talking about?

There is something fundamentally wrong with
America's "ally".


Even if Muslim inhabitants of France are somehow supporting Hamas, do you realize who the main source of income for IRA was before 9/11 (and subsequent unpopularity of terrorism)? People of Irish descent in the US.

Here it is again: It was Americans who funded IRA, a terrorist organisation, which blew up civilians.

Do you know this? And if you do, what would you think about America as an "ally" of the UK?

Fact of the matter is your judgement is clouded by prejudice, if not hatred. I feel sorry for whatever past experience in France did this to you. But try to understand, rather than evade, what I have said in the previous post: that the unlawful acts of a multinational corporation does not mean the whole nation on whose soil it is headquartered are unethical, mean bastards. Ask yourself why you tried to make it look so...



To: gwb-trading who wrote (1327)6/24/2003 11:45:02 AM
From: 49thMIMOMander  Respond to of 7841
 
Dodgy Dossiers and Embarrassing Intellectual Honesty

news.bbc.co.uk

Already archived

video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/fdrive/iraq062403_bhoc.rm
video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/fdrive/iraq061803_bhoc.rm

Ilmarinen

Btw, who has claimed that "9/11 did not take place", or did you emotionally and
intellectually dishonstly happen to mispeak??
However, something strange with hit on Pentagon.

Not to forget more than 50% of americans do not know the difference between
Osaman and Saddam and even more really,really know (knew) that Chruchev
banged his shoe at UN.



To: gwb-trading who wrote (1327)6/24/2003 2:20:29 PM
From: Tom Clarke  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 7841
 
There is something fundamentally wrong with
America's "ally".


France hasn't really been our ally since the Revolutionary War. And who was it who helped us then? It was the king, who was promptly overthrown. The people who run France now guillotined the guy who helped us. Not until they restore the Bourbons can we start thinking of them as an ally again.