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To: Dale Baker who wrote (2448)	6/24/2003 12:22:55 PM
From: tsigprofit	Respond to of 20773

6 British troops killed in Iraq LONDON (AP) — Six British soldiers were killed and eight others were wounded in southern Iraq on Tuesday, Prime Minister Tony Blair's office said. The Ministry of Defense refused to say whether the soldiers died in an attack, describing it only as an "incident." Separately, a soldier was injured when the 1st Battalion Parachute Regiment came under fire while patrolling south of Amarah. A helicopter dispatched to assist the ground forces also came under fire as it landed, and seven people on board were wounded, three of them seriously, Blair's office said. The deaths and the attack occurred within a few miles of each other in Amarah, a village 180 miles southeast of Baghdad, Blair's office said. The Ministry of Defense said all personnel on board the helicopter were taken to a field hospital for treatment. It was investigating whether the two incidents were related. "There have been two incidents today near Amarah resulting in British casualties. We very much regret to confirm that in one incident six British personnel have been killed," the Ministry of Defense said. The 1st Battalion has about 650 soldiers in Iraq who operated mainly around Basra and the southern oil fields during the conflict. They have been in control of Basra, Iraq's second-largest city, for several weeks and have patrolled the city without helmets and flak jackets. At least 18 U.S. soldiers have been killed in Iraqi rebel attacks since May 1, when major combat was declared over, but Tuesday's attack is the first major one involving British troops since Baghdad fell to the coalition forces April 9.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (2448)	6/24/2003 12:44:11 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

According to American Heritage, freedom without liberty is an oxymoron: freedom SYLLABICATION: free·dom PRONUNCIATION: AUDIO: frdm KEY NOUN: 1. The condition of being free of restraints. 2. Liberty of the person from slavery, detention, or oppression. 3a. Political independence. b. Exemption from the arbitrary exercise of authority in the performance of a specific action; civil liberty: freedom of assembly. 4. Exemption from an unpleasant or onerous condition: freedom from want. 5. The capacity to exercise choice; free will: We have the freedom to do as we please all afternoon. 6. Ease or facility of movement: loose sports clothing, giving the wearer freedom. 7. Frankness or boldness; lack of modesty or reserve: the new freedom in movies and novels. 8a. The right to unrestricted use; full access: was given the freedom of their research facilities. b. The right of enjoying all of the privileges of membership or citizenship: the freedom of the city. 9. A right or the power to engage in certain actions without control or interference: “the seductive freedoms and excesses of the picaresque form” (John W. Aldridge, The Atlantic Monthly August 1994). ETYMOLOGY: Middle English fredom, from Old English frodm : fro, free; see free + -dm, -dom. SYNONYMS: freedom, liberty, license These nouns refer to the power to act, speak, or think without externally imposed restraints. Freedom is the most general term: “In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free” (Abraham Lincoln). Liberty stresses the power of free choice: “liberty, perfect liberty, to think, feel, do just as one pleases” (William Hazlitt). License sometimes denotes deliberate deviation from normally applicable rules or practices to achieve a desired effect: poetic license. Frequently, though, it denotes undue freedom: “the intolerable license with which the newspapers break . . . the rules of decorum” (Edmund Burke).

To: Dale Baker who wrote (2448)	6/24/2003 3:54:42 PM
From: Yogizuna	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20773

And even before terrorism struck big time on 911, we had been experiencing a slow and gradual erosion of our freedoms, like the proverbial frog in the water which is slowly being brought up to the boiling point without it being fully aware of it's extremely precarious situation. Most of the "blind" flag wavers ignore this reality, or are aware of it to some degree, but they have not been "burned" badly enough yet to wake up out of their brainwashed stupor.