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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (102701)	6/25/2003 3:50:07 AM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Well i'd flee in panic too if you come after me with machine-guns .... people don't get programmes handed to them at the door, when a war is put on ... survival first, sure i'd run, hide, whatever it took .... until i could get me a thirty ought six .... not too many years ago i could put a thirty ought six round through a soup tin at hundred metres, regularly .... it wouldn't be a real smart thing, to be the soup tin who took my land, or killed my brother These are human things, presumably if you're typing at a keyboard you should be able to claim some degree of the quality ....... you ask, rhetorically and for the umpteenth time, why so one-sided, so i'll quickly give again the response you know so well - there are none here indigenous to Palestine, zionism promoters and third party independents only, i am in the latter category so it is to you i am talking ... and you are hardly in good standing to complain about one-sidedness, Oh Evil-Arab-Saintly-Jew-Nadine Refugees from Europe were not being 'forced out at the point of a gun' as you say, for years before the 1948 violence, the second war had been over then for a long time .... even if they had been forced out of Europe in 1948, it most certainly would not have been by the actions of the indigenous of Palestine From arab countries jews were forced out after the indigenous were run off their lands in Palestine ... so your cause and effect won't work, it comes back on you, lays the responsibility right where you're trying to wipe it away ' unreciprocated righteousness' - the opposite of righteousness can also be reciprocated, and while arabs turn out not to be so effective at reciprocation, lucky for you, they do from time to time make certain feeble attempts at it .... this is to be expected given their role in the story, remember they are the invadees ['the Arabs invaded' - !!, oh Jesus just breaks right down and bawls his eyes out] [with apologies to Carl] It is righteous, or it is not ... a thing is either worth doing well, or some other project should be attempted in its place ..... yet another religious state being placed on the lands of people who consider that religion hostile to their own is going to have a hard time putting on a veneer of righteousness even ..... huge mistakes have been made here, they are not the first mistakes in the history of the species, yeah yeah he hit me back first, we all know how that goes - but there is little point in continuing on to more and greater mistakes 1948 was simply too late to shift a people off their lands and insert foreigners, as Steven has pointed out repeatedly .... in the day of Herzl it was still conceivable, but the practice has largely died out now, and few miss it ... few indigenous miss it, that is Just scratch the religious/racial crap, make a Menschenstaat instead, then you wouldn't have to fabricate all these reversed timelines et al, nor type so much ... and just for a starting hint, a decent HumanState would do well to treat fairly even those who at first ran from its machine-guns, if it is going to plant itself on their lands