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To: Neocon who wrote (102781)	6/25/2003 1:21:07 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Neocon, Best recounting of the Israeli side of things that i have seen. But I will say to you what i said to the other side. To rely on the history alone here, is dangerous. We need to start with a date #1. Pre-war 1967 borders with the adjustments that 36 years on new history bring is the only way this can end peacefully. Otherwise terror and occupation that will be a horror is the future of the region. The hamas hudna announced today gives Abbas/Dahlen a chance to step up to the plate. If they strike out and hamas comes back strong in three months blowing up day care centers and pizza parlors, all hell will break loose. It will be 10X worse unless this works. Stopping the money from going to hamas is key. mike@lastchancesaloon.com

To: Neocon who wrote (102781)	6/25/2003 2:34:15 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

>> there is considerable evidence that the bulk of Palestinian Arabs emigrated into the country, legally or illegally, towards the turn of the (20th) century and thereafter, especially under the British Mandatory Authority<< Using British sources, which I think are far more trustworthy than Israeli or Arab sources, in 1920, the population of the Palestinian province of Syria was about 650,000: Mohammedan Arabs, 515,000; Jews, 63,000; Christian Arabs, 62,000; nomadic Bedouins, 50,000; unclassified, 5000. theatlantic.com According to the Brits, the Jewish population in Palestine in 1922 was about 80,000, of which some 25,000 had migrated during the Mandate. yale.edu Sadly, a large percentage of the Jews in present-day Israel are refugees from Muslim lands where they had lived peacefully for many generations, as a result of inflamed feelings due to the Palestinian situation. unhchr.ch

To: Neocon who wrote (102781)	6/25/2003 3:31:25 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

'Arab attack' <-- that's direct from your post to which i was responding, it could be argued that i am not so 'confused' in associating it with Nadine's wording of 'the Arabs invaded' No need to go that far back to demonstrate the phenomenon, there are plenty in your post here, i'll just quickly paste in the two Godwin's Law bits - 'Hitler was widely admired among the Arabs.' 'Palestinian Arabs ... trying to finish Hitler's job' Same old same old .... the 'sparsely populated' thing again too, sort of slipped in as attempt to equate with 'unpopulated', or 'land without a people' ...... and the thing where because they never had an independent state of their own they have no weight in the picture, no humanity .... and always the 'the Arabs invaded' ... or 'attacked', whatever You cannot sell this line in the highlands of Chiapas, don't even bother trying ... there too the maya are semi-nomadic by nature and custom, they burn off some jungle, plant maize and beans for a few years, then move on when the crop diminishes .... practical reason for this is they don't have fertiliser other than ashes, but it is in their nature now, after tens of thousands of years, they like moving around .... they consider all the lands in which they move around to be their territory, and they consider themselves to be human beings, and you can type from now till the end of time and you will not convince them otherwise, nor will you convince me [edit] - interesting piece CB thanks - #reply-19060943