To: Jamey who wrote (35460 ) 6/27/2003 7:59:57 PM From: 2MAR$ Respond to of 39621 i cannot agree ... the losing of the venmous hatred , the hate-preaching , mayhem & murders .... and that persecution of those who choose to spend time and love their same sex , alone....is worth the price of acceptance in today's world , and in a free society . People need not be publicly humiliated and forced to be ashamed of their love of another . One lessens hatred , fear , and all forms of persecution of all minorities and replaces it with some understanding and love and acceptance . These are the rules given by your own teacher who was celibate. These same immutable laws of nature are not as dictitorial as you would have them be . And for all that "idealism" you have built up in this perfect eden of yours , time has taken us beyond the boundries of such sham moral standards , written by ancient superstitous violent goat and sheepherders, that stoned people to death for the smallest infractions. What is valuable in a human being is their experience of truth and their sharing of it . The knowledge they can impart , wisdom they possess , and a temperant good life well lived is enough . Your image is somewhat less hard than some on the homosexual lifestyle , which is just another one of those fantastic myths like all the rest . Homosexuals can be as normal in their lifestyles as you . That they are any more excessive in their lives and habits than you is the lie. My Aunt was gay , Santiago ...and she taught art at one very fine highschool for 24yrs , until she died bravely at home from breast cancer . She had touched the lives of 100's and 100's of youth for the better and was remembered after she died by 100's who knew her . Her life was a great example of helping others grasp this world we live in , and though her qualifications were such that she could teach at just about any University she chose , she chose to accept the challenge of much younger students , all who's lives were enhanced by knowing her. She was also the first women editor of the nation's largest University newspaper last century ...and was always one of those rare persons to know. You are not talking about the immutable laws of nature , you are talking of a "Sham" theology that tried through every fascist , sly & tortuous way to create ugliness that originated always first and foremost with themselves and their own pretenses . In the threadbare name of a mythological Jesus who's real message they could never quite even in the slightest ways , begin to grasp. Even more evidence that the Bible is so wrong , it bursts at the seams with bad ideas, covered up always by apologists that have to spend centuries covering up it's abuses of truth , shallowness and lack of insight . And even more centuries apologizing for it's predecessor "The Old Testement ". Here's an ---->"immutable law " for you ...if you don't hunt down people and torment them with the constant fear that they are less than animals for what you and your indoctrinated well meaning followers consider offensive to your eye and wicked ...you might find that these people are capable of being quite normal and every bit as constructive as you.