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To: marcos who wrote (103013)	6/26/2003 2:55:51 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"As for claiming legitimacy from a UN vote while ignoring votes of censure from the same body in re your fenced-up indigenous, well some typing could be done on that, by those with the time and inclination " Bull sheet. If the UN vote had been followed by the arabs, UN resolutions never would have happened. Oh lets not remember that factoid, eh???

To: marcos who wrote (103013)	6/26/2003 3:21:32 PM
From: Neocon	Respond to of 281500

However the land was occupied, it is the historic homeland of the Jews, in which they became a distinct people under their own government. There are no known Canaanites to dispute the claim; there is always a possiblity of multiple claims; and it is ordinarily impossible to press a claim that is not fresh. Are we going to try and disentangle the Roman and Teutonic strands in France, and give back the territory to Asterix le Gaulois? Should we kick the Turks out of Asia Minor in favor of the Greeks, the closest things to successors of the Byzantines we have? Or perhaps we should give North Africa back to the Berbers, the nearest living relatives of the Carthaginians. Face it, on that basis, the Arab homeland is the Saudi peninsula and they should be kicked out of the rest of the Middle East and North Africa. But I accept a broader concept of the Arab homeland. Anyway, I admitted that the "claim" part was highly disputable. However, as it happened, it was possible to advance that claim, in historically opportune circumstances. Does that mean that they had more right to the land than the Palestinian Arabs? No, but they had no less right, immigrating under rules of the sovereign powers, first the Ottoman Empire, then Britain, administering the territory. And Britain, as the Mandatory power, had a right to support the claim of the Jews to some kind of homeland, as the disposition of the Ottoman Empire impended. As for the reference to the United Nations, I meant to establish that Israel had the sort of sponsorship and recognition that legitimates a state. I will have to shift gears to discuss other UN resolutions concerning Israel.........