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To: Ilaine who wrote (103022)	6/26/2003 3:23:01 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Israel did not take over Arab land by conquest.

To: Ilaine who wrote (103022)	6/26/2003 3:28:36 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Ah, here we go.....who has the right to live in Israel. I wondered when you guys would drift off to that topic. Inevitable terminus of the discussion. Unfruitful, contentious, and ultimately worthless.

To: Ilaine who wrote (103022)	6/26/2003 3:45:38 PM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

This is your "voluntary" depopulation: The final battle of the war took place in Bethar, Bar-Kokhba's headquarters, which housed both the Sanhedrin (Jewish High Court) and the home of the Nasi (leader). Bethar was a vital military stronghold because of its strategic location on a mountain ridge overlooking both the Valley of Sorek and the important Jerusalem-Bet Guvrin Road. Thousands of Jewish refugees fled to Bethar during the war. In 135 C.E., Hadrian's army besieged Bethar and on the 9th of Av, the Jewish fast day commemorating the destruction of the first and second Holy Temples, the walls of Bethar fell. After a fierce battle, every Jew in Bethar was killed. Six days passed before the Romans allowed the Jews to bury their dead. Following the battle of Bethar, there were a few small skirmishes in the Judean Desert Caves, but the war was essentially over and Judean independence was lost. The Romans plowed Jerusalem with a yoke of oxen. Jews were sold into slavery and many were transported to Egypt. Judean settlements were not rebuilt. Jerusalem was turned into a pagan city called Aelia Capitolina and the Jews were forbidden to live there. They were permitted to enter only on the 9th of Av to mourn their losses in the revolt. Hadrian changed the country's name from Judea to Syria Palestina. In the years following the revolt, Hadrian discriminated against all Judeo-Christian sects, but the worst persecution was directed against religious Jews. He made anti-religious decrees forbidding Torah study, Sabbath observance, circumcision, Jewish courts, meeting in synagogues and other ritual practices. Many Jews assimilated and many sages and prominent men were martyred including Rabbi Akiva and the rest of the Asara Harugei Malchut (ten martyrs). This age of persecution lasted throughout the remainder of Hadrian's reign, until 138 C.E. us-israel.org

To: Ilaine who wrote (103022)	6/26/2003 4:19:36 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The land is indisputably the historic homeland of many, many peoples, including Persians, Egyptians, Canaanites, Turks, Greeks, Romans, etc. etc. etc. None of whom have dibs. For nobody else was Israel the homeland, the mother country. Nobody else says "Next year in Jerusalem" at the end of every festival. You can certainly argue that this strong connection doesn't give title, but you should not disparage the Jewish's people's strong and unique connection to the land.