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To: stockman_scott who wrote (103064)	6/26/2003 10:01:20 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Scott....At least Zinn should get his facts straight.... movingideas.org >>>>>>>>>BILL MOYERS: Is there any evidence they could present or any argument they could make that would give you second thoughts about your opposition to the war? HOWARD ZINN: I can't think of any. And I think there's a fundamental reason why I can't think of any. And that is, you know, whatever they might come up with about weapons of mass destruction and what Saddam Hussein does, one fact remains clear. If we go to war, we will kill thousands, tens of thousands, we don't know how many people. A hundred thousand? We will kill huge numbers of people. And who will we kill? We will kill the victims of Saddam Hussein. If we go to war against Iraq, we are killing the victims of the tyrant. That to me creates a moral equation which is intolerable. <<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>Author bio: Zinn has lived a politically engaged life since he came home from the Air Force after World War II. He grew up on the tough streets of Brooklyn where he worked as a teenager in the shipyards, earned his doctorate in history from Columbia University, and while teaching college became an activist in the civil rights movement and the opposition to the Vietnam War. Among his many books is A People’s History of the United States, written from the point of view of men and women left out of the official records of the American epic. Since its publication in 1980 it’s become a touchstone of dissident thought in America.<<<<<<< International Socialist Review--Journal of Revolutionary Marxism.... isreview.org

To: stockman_scott who wrote (103064)	6/26/2003 10:02:25 PM
From: KLP	Respond to of 281500

Letter by Howard Zinn and David Barsamian, A Revolutionary Marxist "Group"..... Their words from their website....not my words. International Socialist Review--Journal of Revolutionary Marxism.... isreview.org howardzinn.org Dear Friend, It feels like a world gone mad. Bush's new doctrine for total global domination and "pre-emptive" strikes. Another slaughter planned in Iraq. The economy in crisis. A massive corporate crime spree. Racial profiling and an assault on the most basic civil liberties. And a Democratic "opposition" lining up behind Bush. The need for social change is urgent. Yet you have to look well outside the mainstream media to find news and information that doesn't just echo the White House line. It is essential at times such as these - when civil liberties and our right to dissent are under attack - that we support voices of opposition committed to exposing capitalism's cruelty and building a different kind of world. The International Socialist Review is a magazine that has made a crucial contribution to the independent press since its inception in 1997. The ISR is a place to find not simply the truth about world events and politics, but also the most vivid and inspiring stories of resistance and struggle. From the upsurges in Latin America, to the labor and antiwar movements here at home, the ISR's reporting and analysis is vital. There is no more important work than this. As Karl Marx put it, "The philosophers have merely interpreted the world; the point, however, is to change it." The ISR seeks to interpret the world - in order to change it. We were both happy to be a part of the ISR's antiwar speaking tour earlier this year, which included some of today's most important activists and thinkers. It was an example of ideas coming off the page and into the real world of struggle. There are no corporate sponsors for the ISR and the rest of the independent press. It depends for its very survival on the support of people committed to building a political alternative. Please join us in keeping the International Socialist Review alive and well by donating any amount you can to the ISR's current fund-drive, and helping the ISR get out its message of opposition, resistance, and hope for a different future. In Solidarity, Howard Zinn David Barsamian