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To: carranza2 who wrote (103142)	6/27/2003 1:40:16 PM
From: marcos	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Wilsonian eh, well i think your rulers have a ways to go to get there ... clearly they have more power than Wilson, but it takes more than power ..... Borden supported Wilson in 1919 on most all points, by the way, and if Canada had had a vote proportionate to the german divisions she had defeated, Versailles would have come out much better and quite possibly saved us the trouble of doing it again twenty years later .... as it was though, we had a modest presence at the conference only, our vote was wrapped into that of Lloyd George, Clemenceau got his way on crucial points, and tribute was levied against the german people, bringing that war to their territory for the first time So one difference is, Wilson had not enough power because his ally Borden had none real ... while with Bush et al, there is no limit on the power, none, no one else has any whatsoever ... no one including US nationals - look what is happening to your civil liberties, really carranza you are right down here on serf level with the Rest of Us Reactions will vary according to perceived justice in use of this power, sure, to an extent .... still there will remain an unease with its presence over us - we are human, we have a spine, it is natural that it tingle more warm and fuzzy for rational discourse than for the barking of orders We need a parliament of nations, they can paint that white presidential mansion in rainbow colours and it still won't serve as centre of legitimate decision making for the species .... dictation without representation is tyranny ... it's just simply marcos by the way, as in 'goalposts' and 'political frameworks', both apply today -g- ... all your evil men here fall into the same category for me, 'criminals', and for crimes against the centroamericano i would add Reagan to the list ... charge of being a religious zealot as well - Lindy made a couple days ago a distinction between religions and -isms like fascism and communism, well no distinction stands up under examination, they were all exclusionist belief structures with mad priests and charismatic prophets and holy scripture and all that, they're all religion and quite evil, all the -isms, except for the One True ism, radicalagnosticinternationalparliamentarianism ... we will now bow our heads and pray, brothers ... [and that's pray with an A not an E, dammit, you there in the Halliburton burkha]