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To: Maurice Winn who wrote (103320)	6/28/2003 4:51:32 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>>It's building things and making civil society which is the hard part.<< Americans have an ingrained belief that building things and making civil society is easy. We do it without thinking. Whenever there is a disaster, during and afterwards volunteers are all over the place like worker ants rebuilding the nest that got kicked in. I am afraid that we expected too much from the Iraqis. We thought they were like us. Once the disaster is over, pitch in and fix things. They seem to be standing around waiting for us to do it. I guess maybe it's memes that we learn as infants and incorporate and assume is innate? Mystifying. Downright mystifying.

To: Maurice Winn who wrote (103320)	6/28/2003 7:47:42 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

How to create a human legal system is the issue that matters. How to move from the constant warring, conflict and confrontation of the olde European system of shifting alliances in little fiefdoms. I'm open to recommendations, as I believe all rational international leaders would be. But creating and implementing any such VIABLE recommendations, that are keeping with reality, seem to be something the liberals have yet to produce. Winning wars is easy. Any idiot can smash people and things. Just push the red button. It's building things and making civil society which is the hard part. Sometimes winning is easy, but I would agree that "nation building" is not something that can be externally imposed. It is like a tree which, if properly maintained and nurtured, will eventually grow and last. But if neglected, or ignored, will eventually become infested with parasites and disease, all of which will sustain themselves on the crippled or dying host. The USA should now establish a UN Conference for Reconstitution - in Iraq, where they can see for themselves the consequences of political and civil failure I have no problem with this recommendation. Hawk