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Politics : DON'T START THE WAR -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (25030)	6/30/2003 9:59:19 PM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

It also should not be forgotten that it was Begin who stepped up to make peace with Egypt. If Begin had indeed "stepped up" to make peace with Egypt, he could have done so in 1971. Egypt made the same offer in 1971 as in 1977. There is no record of Begin urging Israel to accept the 1971 offer, as far as I know. But, after the disastrous 1973 war, he realized that Egypt was too much of a foe, and decided that Israel should focus its attacks on the helpless Lebanese and Palestinians. Tom

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (25030)	7/1/2003 3:47:25 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 25898

Re: Btw, what happened to Thomas M? Are you two playing "tag team" now?? Huh?! I'm not a team player.... Re: Have you any opinions about whether Jordan and Egypt were the aggressors in the 1967 war?? Well, I'm not that far yet... I'm reading John Keay's excellent book on the Mideast: Sowing the Wind. Unfortunately, it stops at 1960 --it covers 60 years, from 1900 to 1960. It's really fascinating... when I read the chapter about Iraq and King Ghazi (), I couldn't help thinking about the fate of Saddam Hussein --I think both were murdered by their entourage... As regards the "Nazi connections" of some Arab countries, Keay pointedly put them in perspective: the Mufti of Jerusalem and other Egyptian and Iraqi nationalists didn't approach Nazi Germany because they shared its Aryan ideology (Arabs are Semites, after all) but because of their legitimate hostility to their colonial master, Britain. Hence the difficulty of French resistance leader De Gaulle to rally Lebanon and Syria against Vichyist France.... But then, perhaps we should start talking about AMERICA's Nazi connections: Henry Ford, Lindbergh,... Not to mention the ironic fact that America itself was a racist, segregationist regime at the time. If Hitler and his Nazi henchmen had limited their racist hatred and atrocities to darkies and Gypsies, the US would never have declared war on Germany in the first place. Hitler's blunder was to take on the Jews --one of America's founding minorities (there were a coupla Jews aboard the Mayflower). Gus () In 1938 King Ghazi decided to attempt to realize his ambition of annexing Kuwait, part of his dream to lead the Fertile Crescent movement [King Ghazi announced from Qasr al-Zohour radio station that he was looking forward to the day when Syria, Palestine, and Kuwait were united to Iraq]. With a combination of propaganda (Qasr al-Zohour radio station), and military intimidation, he began to foment dissent in Kuwait, exploiting the aspirations of sections of the Kuwaiti middle class, which sought greater participation in government. But, at a critical moment, when Iraqi troops had massed near Kuwait's northern border, Ghazi's obsession with fast motor cars proved his undoing. The king drove his car into a lamppost and died instantly on the 3rd of April 1939. [...] geocities.com However, Keay points out the fact that Ghazi was driving on his private racecourse... and his car was undamaged --although his skull was badly smashed... go figure, huh?