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To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (421053)	7/1/2003 12:32:56 AM
From: Kevin Rose	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Ok, let's take it one at a time. "Homosexuals have the right to have homosexual sex." Yup, now that the Supreme Court has finally cleared that up, we can strike down those remaining sodomy laws. "But they do not have the natural right to use force upon a society that by nature is comprised of members who are biologically identified by heterosexuality, forcing that society to accept a sexual scheme foreign to its biological identity". Agreed. They cannot force society to accept homosexuality as 'right'. However, they can force society to extend them the basic rights that are afforded to others, and protect them from outright discrimination because of their homosexuality. "They have rights because of their fundamental biological identities as humans like the rest of us. When their behavior is foreign to what they (and we) are, they may reasonably lose the right to fully participate in a society with us." Ok, now you're reaching for the absurd. They have rights because of their fundamental biological identities? Where does it say THAT in the Constitution? 'All Men Are Created Equal (Assuming Their Fundamental Biological Identities Are the Same as Ours)". "NO ONE is born a biological homosexual" Unproven either way; being heavily debated and researched. However, no one is born a biological atheist, so the point is a non sequitur. "Homosexuality is foreign to that identity." How so? What about abstinence; isn't that also foreign? This is the same argument some us for polygamy; it isn't 'natural' for a man to be restricted to one woman. Flying into space is also not natural. "Atheists are simply being honest about their inability to ever know God. Unrepentant homosexuals are lying, manufacturing false comfort by serving a god, ANY god, that has nothing to do with Christianity. Christianity simply does not accept homosexuality as a valid and moral behavior." Ok, then tell me why the religious right is so fervent in their attacks on homosexual marriage, and no atheist marriages. And, what Constitution grounds could their possibly be to deny equal rights to homosexuals e.g. the right to marry?

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (421053)	7/1/2003 8:34:22 AM
From: gerard mangiardi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Johannes is back! the man who would be Pope, whose meaning of Scripture we must all agree with. He would love the US to be a theocracy with himself as the supreme mullah. He is an extreme right wing version of the Christian right answer to the Taliban.

To: Johannes Pilch who wrote (421053)	7/1/2003 11:26:14 AM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Re: "...natural right to practice atheist religion." >>> I think, by definition, atheism is more correctly described as an absence of religion, and a disbelief in a supernatural God. It is not a 'religion' per se. "...NO ONE is born a biological homosexual." >>> Much scientific evidence would seem to be arrayed against you here... both human evidence, and evidence from throughout the entire animal kingdom. (Hormone exposure in utero, is also one of the leading theories to explain the relevant facts.)