To: RealMuLan who wrote (35668 ) 7/3/2003 4:10:32 AM From: Maurice Winn Respond to of 74559 Yiwu, perhaps you are right that Chinese are quite special humans. Does that mean Jews are the chosen people and Chinese are second choice? But hang on, I think Japanese come in before Chinese for being generally quite special. It certainly doesn't take long for people to become top dog. Legends in their own minds. What with Americans, Japanese, Chinese, Jews and no doubt some others, it's crowded at that pinnacle of humanity's greatest races. At least it leaves lots of room for me in the undergrowth. <the only reason for me to use/speak English rather than another Chinese dialect is I have to make a living here in the US. What else can I do? > Money talks. And it doesn't speak some weirdo language. It speaks the language of the person who has got the money. Recent Chinese immigrants call second and third and fourth generation Kiwi Chinese "bananas". Yellow on the outside and white in the middle. The local Chinese do not like to be mistaken for the new immigrants, who have attitudes which are, shall we say, novel. >>When people take their offspring to a new country, within a month or three, they start adopting the ways of the new place and within a year, you wouldn't know the difference << I didn't mean oldies like you. I meant prepubescent youngsters. Old geezers are irredeemably polluted with their homeland perversions and have trouble fully acclimatizing to their new countries. That applies to everyone from all countries. But although you think Chinese are something special, they also adapt quickly, just like all youngsters, to the local ways. Much to the despair of the older generations. Of course there isn't a perfect absorption, but it's quite complete. <And those who have children here, spend a lot of money sending their kids to Chinese language schools > Yeah, yeah, and the kids can barely be bothered. We have the same stuff here. Silly old parents trying to import their irrelevant cultures. Be it Dutch, Chinese, Japanese, Samoan, English or whatever. They all fail and the children become Kiwis. Same as in the USA, people become yanks, wherever they are from. Of course I don't mean the first generation. Just the second but more so the third. <That is why a trained (5-day training) Chinese typist can type 300+ Chinese characters ONE minute vs. 100 or so English words a minute for a trained English typist. > Rubbish! 300 a minute my foot! Do Chinese who grew up in the USA, from birth, prefer to read chinese, speak chinese and watch chinese tv? Giggle. Of course not. They couldn't care less about Chairman Mao or Jiang Zemin and Three Represents. I bet few of those born there can read chinese and not many can speak it. Same as here. Language is just a tool for Chinese too. Yes, I've seen auctions of calligraphy, but that's a few people following a hobby. There are calligraphy experts in english too. Language is a tool. Sure, some people like to be poets, write literature, play word games and blah blah and be important with their hobby, but for two standard deviations away from the median, language is a tool. <you only need 1,000 words to deal with every day life. > There are subsets of english culture where occasional grunts are all that's needed to get by with everyday life, but that's no recommendation. Sophisticated ideas required vocabulary and while it's nice just to be laid back and grunt our way through life, it's not enough to get serious stuff done. Maybe some Chinese can get by with the occasional grunt and 1000 words, but I doubt that's leading anywhere good. How do they write "methanol fuel cell"? Two grunts and a burp? It takes vocabulary. 1000 words is inadequate. One word with 20 meanings is bad too. English has too many words with multiple meanings. A single meaning for each word would be ideal. It would reduce ambiguity. Having all words spelled grunt would be very simple, but ineffectual. Mqurice