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To: stockman_scott who wrote (21515)7/3/2003 3:32:35 PM
From: Kip518  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 89467
 
Finding WMDs (from Andy Serwer)

fortune.com

Now this is good:

1) Go to Google.com

2) type in (but don't hit return): "weapons of mass destruction"

3) Hit the "I'm feeling lucky" button, instead of the normal "Google search" button

4)read the error message carefully



To: stockman_scott who wrote (21515)7/3/2003 7:18:54 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 89467
 
Senator Expects 'Breakthrough' on Iraqi Weapons

Thu July 3, 2003 01:58 PM ET

By Susan Cornwell
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. forces have found documents that could lead shortly to "breakthrough" news about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, a Republican senator back from visiting Iraq said on Thursday, but Democrats on the trip seemed less convinced.

Kansas Republican Pat Roberts, chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, who just returned with several other senators from Iraq, declined to give details. But he and Sen. John Warner, a Virginia Republican and chairman of the Armed Services Committee, said they concluded from what they were told that Saddam did have the weapons.

Some Democrats who were on the trip were less persuaded by what they had learned and said the focus should be on rebuilding Iraq and getting other nations as well as NATO and the United Nations to help.

President Bush partly justified the invasion of Iraq by the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, such as chemical or biological arms, but so far none have been discovered.

"As the military continues, we are finding volumes of documentation, and it takes us time to go through it. That has led us to a couple of, what I would call breakthrough pieces of information that I hope in the near future will be very positive news," Roberts told a news conference.

"The focus is on people information and document exploitation. That will lead to the final puzzle to prove without a doubt he had the WMD," Roberts said.

Warner said David Kay, the head of the Iraq survey group looking for the weapons, shared classified information with senators that made him conclude the weapons did exist.

After the news conference, Michigan Sen. Carl Levin, the ranking Democrat on Warner's panel, said he could not join in Warner's assessment because the source of the information had not drawn conclusions about a recent weapons program.

"I would not say that the person who gave us that information has concluded anything in that regard yet. ... He urged us, as a matter of fact, to hold off on reaching any conclusions," Levin said.

Rhode Island Sen. Jack Reed, another Democrat, said no such weapons had been deployed with Iraqi troops, and he believed it was less likely they would be found. Minnesota Democrat Mark Dayton thought the hunt for the weapons was "a huge red herring" distracting U.S. forces.

Saying U.S. troops were stretched thin, Levin said the United States should reach out to other countries, including those that declined to take part in the invasion, to finish the task of rebuilding Iraq.

asia.reuters.com



To: stockman_scott who wrote (21515)7/3/2003 7:54:35 PM
From: Kip518  Respond to of 89467
 
The little web site that has Fox News fuming

Legal threat over spoof T-shirts rouses $ support

By Jim Jazwiecki

As a TV news operation, Fox News Channel prides itself on the give and take it offers viewers. But that can't be said for its legal department when the cable news network is the subject of some of the jabbing its on-air talents relish in. Recently, the people behind Agitproperties.com, an Austin, Tex.-based activist web site, received a letter from Fox lawyers insisting that the site stop selling T-shirts making fun of the News Corp.-owned channel. One shirt reads “Faux News: We distort, you comply,” while another advertises the “O’Reilly Youth,” a reference to Hitler's youth groups. In its letter, Fox threatened legal action, claiming that the T-shirts could result in consumer confusion and “the impairment of the goodwill represented by the name ‘Fox News Channel.'” Media Life recently spoke with Agitproperties webmaster Richard Luckett about the brouhaha.

So tell our readers about how this whole to-do between you and Fox News got started.

We've been selling these shirts to fund our site, a clearinghouse for alternative news sources from all over the world. After all the foofaraw about the war in Iraq, our traffic and our sales went down to nothing and we were just about ready to pack things in. I was emailing people all over for months and months, and we could never get any interest generated.

But then Fox gave us this cease-and-desist letter, which I posted, and it was posted by several blogs.

The next thing you know, I'm getting interview requests from all over the world. My server crashed this morning because I got in excess of 65,000 hits. We’re averaging 400 to 500 emails a day, all of them supporting and encouraging.

The O'Reilly Youth shirts are flying out the window. I just can't tell you how many orders we've got. I've been doing nothing but fulfilling orders. It's a three-man operation in a garage in Austin.

I must say that the whole reason this story is getting the media legs is because of bloggers. It's turned into a cause célèbre.

It's very touching. I almost break down and cry thinking about what a hot-button issue I've touched here. We were very close to packing it in, and now the whole world wants to know what I think.

My whole point is that this is going to make many, many people think twice about Fox. That's all I want to do.

Why did you decide to take on Fox News in the first place? What are your beefs with them, specifically?

For them to call themselves fair and balanced and say "We Report, You Decide," is beyond the pale. The fact that they're the only cable news channel that, despite the fact that they're No. 1, feels the need to spout that every 15 minutes just smacks of Orwell.

There's no other way for me to describe it. The way that liberals and left-wingers are treated when they get on those talk shows -- immediately shouted down, without an opportunity to even get a word in -- is just absurd.

Alan Colmes! He's a red herring. He's just there for window dressing. Sean Hannity is particularly in my sights -- that sanctimony, when those eyebrows start arching, and he starts wagging his finger.

Let's talk about Bill O'Reilly, too.

Since when does being a reporter from “Entertainment Tonight” on the Michael Jackson plastic surgery beat all of a sudden, overnight, allow you to start making official pronouncements about politics as if it's gospel?

Anyone else in the news media you’ve got it in for besides Fox News stars? I saw Ann Coulter on “Hannity & Colmes” last night and I had to switch the channel. It just made my blood boil. I've got a shirt lined up for her!

So Ann Coulter, and especially [congressman-turned-cable news commentator ] Joe Scarborough. He resigned and got a job at MSNBC. You'll notice, although he never was in the military, there are two shots of him in military uniform. No one else has pointed it out, but I plan on making hay out of that.

He's trying to out-O'Reilly O'Reilly, and it's so transparent.

What’s going on with your legal defense? I've been overwhelmed by the amount of legal advice I've been offered.

In a few days we'll have chosen our counsel, and we're going to take it all the way. Fox News has painted themselves into a corner. This story has gotten legs just by whatever we and everyone else has been doing. If their competitors get ahold of the story, it's going to be very bad from there. It's a lose-lose situation for them. They'll take it all the way, or they'll back off, in which case they lose face.

I wish I could divulge more about our present legal situation, but within the next five to six days you'll be seeing it in the national media.

Fox thought they would spend 37 cents on a letter to some little company in Austin that would just roll over. Well, they're getting a very, very big surprise.

I must admit, I've got quite a lot of personal satisfaction from not only being a thorn in their side but also from making a profit doing it. July 1, 2003© 2003 Media Life -Jim Jazwiecki is a New York writer and an occasional contributor to Media Life.

Link to article:
medialifemagazine.com



To: stockman_scott who wrote (21515)7/6/2003 4:54:54 AM
From: Raymond Duray  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 89467
 
MI6 chief briefed BBC over Iraq arms fears

'There couldn't be a more serious charge, that I ordered our troops into conflict on the basis of intelligence evidence that I falsified. --UK PM Tony Blair (guilty!)

observer.guardian.co.uk

Kamal Ahmed, political editor
Sunday July 6, 2003
The Observer

The head of MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove, secretly briefed senior BBC executives on Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction before the Today programme claimed Number 10 had 'sexed up' part of the evidence.

In a remarkable revelation that goes to the heart of the increasingly bitter row between the Government and the BBC, broadcasting sources have told The Observer that Dearlove suggested that Syria and Iran posed a greater threat to world security than Iraq.

Although the MI6 chief was not the source of BBC allegations that 10 Downing Street deliberately exaggerated the claim that Saddam's weapons could be ready in 45 minutes, the meetings have strengthened resolve within the corporation to refuse Government demands that it should apologise.

Greg Dyke, the Director General of the BBC, will give a robust defence of the story and say that many of the allegations have been proved true.

This move will put him in direct conflict with Tony Blair, who dramatically upped the stakes last night by demanding a full retraction of the allegations about weapons of mass destruction, saying the charge against him was the gravest he had ever faced as Prime Minister.

In an exclusive interview with The Observer, Blair said the story was 'about as serious an attack on my integrity as there could possibly be'.

Tonight the BBC governors meet in emergency session to discuss the corporation's response to the row. The briefings by Dearlove will make up part of the evidence presented by Dyke and Richard Sambrook, BBC Director of News, to the governors.

The two men, who have both been told of the contacts between Dearlove and BBC executives, will say these provided the 'background context' to the story first run by the Today programme's defence correspondent, Andrew Gilligan.

One meeting, over lunch, was attended by Dearlove, Kevin Marsh, the editor of the Today programme, and John Humphrys, its leading presenter.

At another meeting with a senior BBC executive, sources said Dearlove made it clear that Iraq was not viewed by the intelligence services as the primary threat.

A minute taken of the meeting, on which The Observer has been briefed, Dearlove was asked about the greatest threats to world security. He said that on an analysis of the danger from weapons of mass destruction and terrorism, Iraq was not the priority.

Asked whether Iran and Syria posed a greater threat, Dearlove 'appeared to assent'.

When Humphrys interviewed John Reid, the former Leader of the House of Commons recently promoted to Health Secretary, the presenter said he had met 'senior' figures in the intelligence services. Reid had said the claims made by the programme were those of 'rogue elements' in the security services. This claim was dismissed by the BBC.

'Well, let me tell you,' Humphrys said. 'I myself have spoken to senior people in the intelligence services who have said things, that the Government have exaggerated the threat from Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.'

Blair refused to call for an apology from the BBC, but Number 10 officials made it clear that as soon the Foreign Affairs Committee publishes its report on the issue tomorrow, they will demand a retraction.

Although the committee is thought to have cleared Campbell unanimously over the 45-minutes claim, it was split over whether there had been attempts to strengthen the dossier.

It is believed the decision to clear Campbell was made only on the casting vote of the chairman, the Labour MP Donald Anderson.

'It is untrue. That statement is untrue,' Blair said of the claim that the original weapons dossier published last September had been deliberately interfered with against the wishes of the intelligence services.

'The idea that I or anyone else in my position would start altering intelligence evidence or saying to the intelligence services "I am going to insert this" is absurd.

'There couldn't be a more serious charge, that I ordered our troops into conflict on the basis of intelligence evidence that I falsified.

'You could not make a more serious charge against a Prime Minister. The charge happens to be wrong. I think everyone now accepts that that charge is wrong.'

But last night the BBC was still sticking by its story. Senior figures told The Observer they had a 'powerful case' for the governors.

Blair said: 'I am astonished if they are still saying it is accurate. On what basis are they saying that?'

'Whether they had a source or not, only they know. The issue surely is this, that if people make a claim and it turns out to be wrong, they should accept it is wrong.

'I take it as about as serious an attack on my integrity there could possibly be, and the charge is untrue and I hope that they will accept that. I think they should accept it.

'The only reason this issue has taken a long time is because the BBC still says, well I am sorry but you know even though we can't tell you who this source is, and it is perfectly obvious he wasn't even a member of the Joint Intelligence Committee (JIC), nonetheless we are sticking by the story.'

The BBC will present a report to the governors outlining why they took the decision to run the story.

They will say the evidence on the 45-minutes claim was added to the September dossier 'at a late stage'.

It will add that Campbell asked for 11 changes to the dossier, some of which sought to strengthen it.

Campbell says that although he made some drafting suggestions, nothing was put in the first dossier that was not agreed by the JIC, a body made up of leading members of the intelligence service and civil servants.

Menzies Campbell, the Liberal Democrats' foreign affairs spokesman, said the disclosure about Dearlove raised new questions. 'This fresh information only serves to underline the need for a much wider inquiry under the direction of a senior judge,' he said.

'The Foreign Affairs Select Committee and the Intelligence and Security Committee will doubtless have done their best but only complete disclosure will get to the bottom of this matter and be enough to satisfy the public interest.

'Britain went to war in circumstances of great controversy. Right at the heart of the matter is whether the evidence was sufficient in quality and quantity to justify the risks, casualties, and long- term consequences of going to war.

'There is an emerging suspicion that the intelligence was used in an effort to provide a justification for a political decision that had already been taken. Sir Richard Dearlove would clearly be a crucial witness in the kind of independent inquiry now necessary.'