To: teevee who wrote (4812 ) 7/4/2003 1:14:21 PM From: E. Charters Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 8273 It is true they did not allow selective logging. People we knew that wanted to selective log were never given permits. If you wanted to Cansel clearcut, they it was AOK. In EW North slopes grow back, south slopes do not, as fir is a shade tree and needs rain too. Replanting many sites is a failure. If they stayed with the old logging methods, the forest would be healthy. They clearcut in Ontario too and the forests are receding in the swamps where they do not grow back for centuries. The swamps need drying out before they can naturally reseed. This means forest fires. Mining is one crop, and the governments fear running out, but when we run out of metals on earth, in about ten thousand years, we can mine the near earth asteriod belt, which has hydrocarbon and nickel coppe*r asteroids. The sea and sea bed will supply many thousands of years of magnesium nickel copper, and iron. We can get aluminum from syenites and iron from sulphide veins. The moon is practically made of titanium, which while a high heat metal, is non corrosive and can be electrolytically formed cheaply in calcium chloride salt baths. In short for the next 30,000 years there is no conceivable shortage of scrap or primary metals of most kinds. We are, however, fastly running out of transportable fuel energy, wood, oxygen, ozone, pure potable water, food growth space and soil. As well, the sea is becoming polluted and fish species are being depleted. It is hard to grow healthy fish in the sea artificially. This is far a far more serious problem than running out of metals. I will grant you that the environment is the more important problem. It could be solved by elminating 80% of the world's population by a quick neutron bomb nuclear war. It is relatively humane, as the people die quick. It is coming to a head that this sort of thing has to be done and quick as the shortages are looming fast and many groups in the world seem to want to conflict endlessly and will do nothing to limit their growth or stabilize their politics. We cannot wait until it is too late. It is absolutely certain that all the people in the world cannot maintain the same standard of living or use the same amount of energy as Canadians or Americans do. We would run out of many things in about 50 years. Although there are probably ten times the oil we thought there was at one time, there are easily ten times the people that may wish to use oil at far greater rates than they are doing now. In the end all materials, supply energy and environment problems boil down to one fundamental greater root problem. Overpopulation. E. Malthus<:-}