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To: i-node who wrote (171630)	7/5/2003 3:20:05 PM
From: American Spirit	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1578961

You sound really brain-washed. It's scary. No evidence that Bush has ever lied? Are you kidding? I've posted 30-40 whoppers. I'll give you one to try and defend. "We've already found them" - about WMD's in Iraq. Bush was refering to the mobile labs. Those labs are of the same design as our Army's mobile labs for creating hydrogen gas for balloons. Helium is too unstable so hydrogen must be used. Not an atom of chem or bio material was found. And they were old and un-used. So why is Bush saying "We found them already!". Same reason he told us "The war is over and we won", for PR self-promo deflection purposes. Find one lie of a non-personal sexual nature that Clinton ever told. Hey, if most men were put on the spot about their extra-martial affairs, they'd lie at first too. It was too bad Clinton has this flaw, but it had nothing to do with national security, the economy, or any of the other important issues. As for me being stupid and inexperienced, I have a degree from Brown University and without bragging my IQ is way-way up there. Inexperienced? I've been to 80 countries, have started three businesses, my work has generated 800 million gross revenues and Kerry's top guy sometimes comes to me asking for my opinions. I am friends with plenty of Republicans, some of them powerful in politics, and have high-level debates with them in person. If you want to talk about intelligence, ask yourself what GW would do without Rove and Cheney telling him what to say and do. John Kerry doesn't need anyone to handle him. No comparison on intelligence, though I don't concsider Bush stupid like some do, just gaffe-prone without a script. As for being left-wing, I am actively FIGHTING the left-wing of the party. I debate against Dean and did so with Nader too. Gore, Lieberman, graham and Edwards are all moderates. Gephardt and Kerry are inbetween. But Kerry has the military experience and intel to allow him to be both a hawk and a dove depending on conditions. We're not lefty liberals, we're mainstream Americans with whom most people agree once they know the facts. Kerry's view on the war was shared by 65% of Americans until the war was inevitable. That is, get UN support and broad coalition first, then make a well thought-out post-war plan. None of that was done and now we pay the price for stupidity and amateurism. Bush and Rove's strategy is to keep Americans from learning the facts. To hide behind slick PR photo op events using soldiers and flags as props. If they knew the facts, they'd know it's mostly phony. For instance, the true cost of the tax cuts for the rich, they'd be solidly against them if they realized, if they had any idea who's going to pay for all this down the road.

To: i-node who wrote (171630)	7/5/2003 5:03:05 PM
From: tejek	Respond to of 1578961

So David, are you for neo McCarthyism in this country? I don't know what you mean by "neo-McCarthyism" but I do believe that Coulter makes some valid points about the McCarthy era. Oh, don't stop with a teaser.........let us know what you liked about the McCarthy era. Do you believe all democrats are traitors or idiots? I think with few exceptions, liberals are either stupid or inexperienced in life. Exceptions are the more moderate liberals like Patrick Moynihan and Harold Ford. But the extreme liberals, like you and tejek and Al, I find to be lacking intellect, for the most part. Do you really think your insults mean anything after you've condoned Bush's lying and said you respect his intellect? In fact, speaking of intellect, the best you can do is regurgitate some right wing propaganda.........you dropped thinking for yourself a long time ago. Do you think we should have stayed in Vietnam for as long as it would have taken to "win" after 10 years and 55,500 casualties and no net gain of territory? I think your question shows you know so little about this subject you aren't able to discuss it intelligently. The loss in Vietnam didn't occur after 10 years. It occurred in the early years when Johnson, the worst president of modern times, didn't have the strength of a true leader like George Bush to win the war. By the time Nixon was elected, it was all about losing gracefully. Besides, Nixon was too busy dealing with breaking into Watergate and then with lying and then with the threat of impeachment. Do you believe everything Bush tells us? Not as a matter of course. However, there is no evidence to suggest Bush has been anything other than brutally honest, so until there is such evidence I would tend to believe him. I think he's "brutal" alright......in fact, his lying has been over the top brutal. Liberals have no grounds, EVER AGAIN, to question the truthfulness of a president. After Clinton, you guys lost any credibility to do so ever again. LOL! We can question whomever we want.......its still a free country! Do you think we should have stayed in Vietnam for as long as it would have taken to "win" after 10 years and 55,500 casualties and no net gain of territory? Do you believe everything Bush tells us? Just wondering how far this mental disease has spread in this country. Pretty far..........like I said earlier this week, this is the first time in a year that I thought that Bush has a chance to be toppled. There is a sizeable minority in this country who dislike Bush and his policies intensely, and their numbers are starting to grow quickly. Eventually a critical mass will be reached. At the same time, Bush has lit the fuses to some politically dangerous bombs. By almost any measure, Iraq is not going well and it looks like more troops will be needed there. That will mean more deaths and more drain on our treasury. How long do you think Americans will buy into the right's current spin that Saddam was a monster to the Iraqi people when its the Iraqi people who are killing [and probably torturing and mutilating] our troops. The economy is not going any where fast. Things don't do well under the cloud of negativity, uncertainty and suspicion that we now have in this country. Every time we think a corner has been turned something bad crops up to negate that action. The war on terrorism is not going well. Even a reward of $25 million can't ferret out OBL. Al Qaeda seems more active than ever and terrorist attacks against Americans and their property are on the increase. And now we have to watch our back with what were once our strongest allies, some of whom are covertly conspiring against us. American credibility and respect has plummeted in the past two years. The Bush administration has managed to go after a number of sizeable minorities in this country with its attacks on affirmative action and gay rights. His minions have helped create a climate of dis-ease and fear with its constant carping on family values and patriotism and treasonous acts. When the Dixie Chicks can fear for their lives or someone like Coulter can go after some of our more respected leaders like FDR and praise someone like McCarthy, then we know how far the disease and corruption of conservatism have infected our lives. The negative impact of the above has become cumulative and it too is nearing a critical mass. I wasn't paying a great deal of attention back in the early 90's but I suspect that conditions are similar and that it will play out much like it did with Bush I. And I'm think there ain't much Bush II can do about it. Its the ideology, stupid! Subject Titles Only Full-Text Message Boards Terms of Use Silicon Investor