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Politics : PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (424531)	7/9/2003 10:33:35 AM
From: Doug R	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Message 19094517 Definitely a lie.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (424531)	7/9/2003 11:12:22 AM
From: Skywatcher	Respond to of 769667

It's disgusting that he KNEW it the whole TIME...."it wasn't a lie"????????????PULEEEEEEZE give me a break....that's a pathetic interpretation of outright lies.... he's just warming up for the NEXT series of apologies.....and I won't accept ANY of them, as he tried to hoodwink the entire International community to send our troops into harms way

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (424531)	7/9/2003 11:15:40 AM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

and this from FORBES!!!! a real left wing rag Published on Wednesday, July 9, 2003 by Forbes Magazine Cheney Task Force Loses Place To Hide by Dan Ackman NEW YORK - In the battle over the records of Vice President Dick Cheney's energy task force, the Bush Administration has been trying every defense except one: executive privilege. But it has been dancing around it. Yesterday, the administration lost a preliminary battle to keep task force records secret, though the court invited the vice president to test the one privilege he has refused to invoke. The administration formed the National Energy Policy Development Group, as the task force is known, shortly after taking power and assigned it the job of developing energy policy. Cabinet secretaries, agency heads and senior presidential aides were members. A lawsuit filed by Judicial Watch, later joined by the Sierra Club, alleged that private executives and lobbyists were also invited to consult. The list of nongovernmental advisors allegedly included Thomas Kuhn, president of the Edison Electric Institute; Marc Racicot, chairman of the Republican National Committee and a lobbyist; Haley Barbour, a former Bush campaign advisor and a lobbyist for Southern Company; and, most ominously, Kenneth Lay, former chairman of Enron. While the task force issued its report and recommendations in May 2001, the fight over the task force records has continued long after. Yesterday, a divided D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals refused to grant the vice president's request for a writ of mandamus blocking discovery in the district court. The request for the writ, which the court called "extraordinary" and "drastic," was the vice president's latest effort to keep the task force records under lock and key. Earlier, the task force had defeated a lawsuit filed by the General Accounting Office on the grounds that the GAO and its chief David Walker lacked standing to sue. But in the Judicial Watch case, U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan ordered the task force last October to produce the energy documents--or at least detail the reasons why they were privileged. The task force refused to do either. In the appeals court motion denied yesterday, the administration argued that the request for documents "raises separation of powers problems of the first order." It also argued that the document request was "unnecessarily broad." But it never invoked the doctrine of executive privilege in so many words. Justice Department lawyers had argued that the White House should not be forced to consider invoking the doctrine, as they have argued that the suit should be dismissed altogether on a variety of grounds. But the appeals court said it could not intervene in the lower court in midcase. As long as the task force refused to claim executive privilege, its separation of powers claim was "hypothetical," the court wrote. In his dissent, Judge Raymond Randolph said that the vice president should not have to invoke the privilege. But the court, in an opinion by Judge David Tatel, said granting what the Bush Administration was asking would have meant transforming executive privilege into "virtual immunity from suit." Judge Sullivan could always narrow the request for documents and review privately any documents for which privilege is claimed, the appeals court added. The aversion to asserting an executive-privilege claim may be that the doctrine, while oft-discussed, is never mentioned in the Constitution and is ill-defined. It is "an extremely murky area," said Charles Fried, U.S. solicitor general during the Reagan Administration, in response to the earlier GAO suit. "Every time it's come up, they've resolved it [without a judicial decision]." If the administration presented the issue squarely, it would risk a negative precedent that could haunt it later, Fried said. The idea behind executive privilege is that the president's conversations with his advisers should be private, allowing all involved to be candid while formulating initiatives. But the task force allegedly included consultations with outsiders, including Enron executives, which may weaken its claim and also increase the suggestion that the governmental process was corrupted by private interests. This concern is persistent when the vice president is a former CEO of oil service firm Halliburton and the president also toiled in the oil patch. Environmentalists say they were shut out of the decision-making process, after which Cheney's task force called for more oil and gas drilling and a revived nuclear power program, which would have come as no surprise no matter who the administration consulted. Cheney's predilections on energy policy--drill more, generate more, use more--are well known. Still, as the fight over records now moves back to Judge Sullivan's court, the suggestion that the vice president has something to hide lingers. © 2003 Forbes.com™ CC

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (424531)	7/9/2003 7:24:54 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Charleymane, Re: It wasn't a lie. The White House has admitted to a mistake. There are millions of us who clearly understand the Bush statement about "mushroom clouds" in his SOTA (State of the Union Address) to be a lie. What the White House just did is to compound their lies with yet another one. I.e. that they merely made a mistake. Believe me, they made no mistake by introducing their fear mongering and scare tactics into the SOTA and then Powell's bravura lie-fest on February 5 at the UNSC (UN Security Council) In a further instance of lying, the White House has spread the red herring about Colin Powell rejecting portions of the speech prepared for him by Steve Cambone at the Office of Special Plans. What they don't tell you is that of the 44 allegations against the Hussein regime in the speech, 16 were outright lies, and many of the others were fabrications or irrelevancies. This White House is lying and it continues to lie in its efforts to cover-up its deceits. They cover-up about the energy meetings that resulted in financial chaos for California. They cover-up and lie about government malfeasance and worse regarding 9/11. And they cover-up and lie about the false pretenses for the invasion of Iraq. The Bush White House is a house of cards. Every one of them a lie.

To: Tom Clarke who wrote (424531)	7/9/2003 8:11:53 PM
From: Raymond Duray	Respond to of 769667

BUSH LIES DEPT.: Charley, Here's more on your lying pResident: US PUBLIC CATCHING ON TO BIG LIE? story.news.yahoo.com "For the first time since the beginning of the war in Iraq, a solid majority of Americans believe the Bush administration either 'stretched the truth' about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction or told outright lies, according to a new opinion survey," Agence France-Presse reports. A University of Maryland poll conducted from June 18 to 25 found that 52 percent of respondents said they believed President George W. Bush and his aides were "stretching the truth, but not making false statements" about Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's chemical, biological and nuclear programs. O'Dwyer's PR editor Kevin McCauley writes, "America has awoken from its slumber. People are finally realizing that they were bamboozled by the Administration into going to war with Iraq. A Gallup poll, released July 1, finds that 56 percent of Americans say Iraq 'was worth going to war for.' That's down sharply from the 73 percent who answered that way in mid-April after the U.S. military took control of Baghdad." SOURCE: Agence France-Press, July 2, 2003 More web links related to this story are available at: prwatch.org To discuss this story in the PR Watch Forum, visit: prwatch.org