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To: stockman_scott who wrote (21815)	7/10/2003 3:59:04 PM
From: T L Comiskey	Respond to of 89467

Poor george... he has become a 'revisionist historian' (beady eyes and All) a Real Rovian nightmare T

To: stockman_scott who wrote (21815)	7/10/2003 6:07:57 PM
From: lurqer	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 89467

Bush restates 'em Thanks. Think I'll "restate" that to my hard drive. Have it ready for a "restatement" reply to the next post I see about how "straight forward" the current admin is. Now they are to rid that country of Saddam and establish the predicates for a Middle East peace. Instead of ridding the country of Saddam, we’re doing a “bang-up” job of rehabilitating him. You’ve sunk to significant low (to use market lingo <g>), when you’re unfavorably compared with a mass murdering dictator. Yet, Iraqi demonstrators are constantly shouting these words into TV cameras connected to the entire Muslim world. The long debated “connection” between 9-11 Atta, and Iraq may finally be resolved with the recent arrests - aljazeerah.info . {As an aside, note that this al jazeerah web site makes their point without hyperbole in In a brief trip to the Shiite holy city of Najaf, Bremer stressed the need for a unified Iraq but did not meet any of the powerful clergy such as Ayatollah Ali Sistani. } We’ve all heard the counter argument that religious OBL had no “respect for” secular hedonist Saddam. Either way, there is little question now, that Saddam loyalists are anti-American allies with the OBL loving “jihadists” (to speak in Pentagonese), that are pouring into Iraq at the behest of their clerics’ admonitions. Now, Saddam is, if not loved, the ally of the Islamic fundamentalist. At this point, if we were to kill Saddam, for many he would become a martyr. Perfect, just perfect. And all of this is supposed to “establish the predicates for a Middle East peace”? What does it take for some to realize that hitting a Tar Baby only “predicates” entrapment? JMO lurqer

To: stockman_scott who wrote (21815)	7/11/2003 1:00:36 AM
From: Karen Lawrence	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 89467

Bush the wise has all the answers...bring in more troops to be slaughtered...he doesn't care about families who've lost sons and daughters, people who are in pain, children who are poor, people who have no jobs. He doesn't care about the elderly, blacks, gays, women, any ethnic group, people in other countries... We Have Got Problems in Iraq: Bush Naseer Al-Nahr • Asharq Al-Awsat GABORONE/BAGHDAD, 11 July 2003 — US President George W. Bush yesterday admitted his government had security problems in Iraq but pledged US forces would be “tough” and stay the course after two more soldiers were reported killed there. “There is no question we have got a security issue in Iraq,” Bush said after meeting in Gaborone with Botswanan President Festus Mogae. “We are just going to have to deal with it person by person. We are going to have to remain tough,” said Bush, on the third leg of a five-nation African tour. He said that as more Iraqis became involved in a transition government for Iraq, they would realize that compatriots mounting attacks on occupying US forces were “apologists for Saddam Hussein” who were creating misery for their country. “It’s going to take more than 90 to 100 days for people to recognize the great joys of freedom and the responsibilities that come with freedom,” said Bush, under mounting pressure over the use of flawed intelligence to justify the war to oust Saddam. “We are making steady progress. A free Iraq will mean a peaceful world, it is very important for us to stay the course and we will,” he added. Bush’s remarks were in stark contrast to what was seen as a taunt to Iraqi opposition rebels earlier this month, which drew criticism from opposition Democratic Party critics. “There are some who feel that the conditions are such that they can attack us there,” Bush said on July 2 at the White House. “My answer is: Bring ‘em on. We’ve got the force necessary to deal with the security situation.” Two US soldiers were killed and another was wounded overnight in separate attacks in Iraq, the US military said in Baghdad yesterday, correcting an earlier statement that three had been killed. The deaths brought to 31 the number of US soldiers killed in hostile action since May 1, when the United States declared an end to major combat operations in Iraq. Bush faced mounting pressure on Iraq as he embarked earlier yesterday on a one-day trip to Botswana from South Africa. On Wednesday, he ducked questions over false intelligence on Saddam’s nuclear weapons program he had used in his State of the Union address in January. The US-led coalition in Iraq, meanwhile, said it was mulling the creation of an indigenous paramilitary force in Iraq to help shoulder the growing security burden in the country. Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, the most senior US military commander there, also said he was considering using tribal forces such as those in northern Iraq. These could provide “significant ability” to protect infrastructure which is under relentless threat of sabotage from loyalists to Saddam and his deposed Baath Party, he added. Iraqi citizens, particularly in the chaotic capital Baghdad, have expressed outrage at the US-led coalition’s embarrassing failure to provide a sense of security in the country in the three months since Saddam’s regime tumbled. US and other coalition troops have come under daily hit and run assaults, as have Iraqis cooperating in efforts to rebuild, and some citizens on the streets say they are growing resentful of the occupiers. One attack targeted a US convoy in Saddam’s hometown of Tikrit north of Baghdad at around 10:30 p.m. (1830 GMT) Wednesday, killing one soldier and wounding another, US Central Command said. In Mahmudiyah, south of the capital, another soldier was killed in an ambush with small arms fire at around 6:30 p.m. (1430 GMT) on Wednesday, the Centcom statement said.