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To: Dale Baker who wrote (2856)	7/11/2003 9:26:07 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

I agree with you- Americans, in general, are a kind people, when they meet face to face with another human in need, but Americans don't understand people who hate them. I think because we have such a high notion of ourselves (mostly undeserved at this point) we fail to understand the animosity other countries, and their citizens, may have for the imposition of our values upon them. Our revolution was not imposed from outside the US. Our leaders were Americans. We cling to this notion of "brining" democracy to others, and yet, imo, it is generally a thing which cannot be "brought". Not to mention the fact that our revolutionary times were a time of intense instability- many Americans were anti-revolutionary, and the revolution could easily have failed, even with the high literacy rates in this country at the time. Americans, who are a bit dim about their past, are nowhere near the same people they were- we are not our founding fathers, and, in fact, few people understand what our founding fathers were like. If we were asked for revolution now, against the federal government (which is much more oppressive than England ever was, and demands quite a bit more money from us, and gives us almost no representation) almost all Americans would say "No way". We are out of touch with revolution, because we are complacent- and, imo, we should be minding the store at home, and protecting our own republic, before we try to foist ideas we do not live by at home, onto a people unprepared to receive them.

To: Dale Baker who wrote (2856)	7/12/2003 1:40:49 PM
From: Dale Baker	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20773

The spin machine stumbles: Message 19103607 And the poll numbers finally start to fall: washingtonpost.com Taken together, the latest survey findings suggest that the mix of euphoria and relief that followed the quick U.S. victory in Iraq continues to dissipate, creating an uncertain and volatile political environment. The risks are perhaps most obvious for Bush, whose continued high standing with the American people has been fueled largely by his handling of the war on terrorism and, more recently, the war in Iraq. On the domestic front, meanwhile, fewer than half the nation approves of Bush's handling of the economy. The poll found that the failure to locate weapons of mass destruction in Iraq has sharply divided the country. Fifty percent said Bush intentionally exaggerated evidence suggesting Iraq had such weapons, while nearly as many -- 46 percent -- disagreed. "If we have the capability of finding out that Joe Blow No-Name has dodged his taxes for the past 10 years, why don't we have the capability of . . . finding a foolproof method of finding out whether the intelligence we gather is accurate and making it rock-solid before we jump into another situation?" said James Pike, 41, an auto mechanic from Ogdensburg, N.Y.