To: LPS5 who wrote (952 ) 7/20/2003 8:16:15 AM From: Rock_nj Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 20039 Two great points about human nature. True, that people who seem to have such mistrust of the government are often the most polticized people in society, apparently looking for a political solution to their mistrust concerns?!? Humans are not the most logical creatures. I think Raymond, while I agree with him that there's more to 9/11 than meets the eye and there are indications that there is some sort of conspiracy (or utter incompetence), is putting too much faith that some mystical Democract like Howard Dean will be elected and bring everything to light. I agree with his goal of getting rid of the Bush cabal (that can only be good for the average American, we don't need to be ruled by an aristocracy), but I don't see a Democrat as being a panacea. Our government is inherently corrupt (money and power are the most corrupting influences on mankind) and will do whatever it takes to get it's way, and no politician is big enough to change that fact (as JFK found out the hard way when he was tinkering with the idea of pulling us out of Viet Nam and hurting some very wealthy and powerful people). Re: Skeptics. Great point also. Skeptics, often blatantly ignore the scientific method of investigation, and rather use the most outlandish theories and unproven methods and sometimes just outright falsehoods to justify their unbendable skeptical positions. I've come across it plenty of times when investigating the paranormal and skeptical responses to such claims. It's great to have skeptics out there to keep the wild-eyed crazies in line (there are plenty of them out there). But, if one is going to conduct a skeptical investigation of wild-eyed claims, one must adhere to the principles of the scientific method and accept or reject claims and alternative explanations based upon this time proven method of scientific investigation. Too many skeptics (just like the wild eyed crazies they abhor) will buy into an alternative explanation just because it fits their world view and is a convenient explanation, without the proper scientific investigation and without a rational analysis of their alternative explanation. What an interesting world we live in!Back on subject: The BBC is now reporting that Dr. Kelly was their mole for the Iraq intel info that made the government look bad. Hmmm, could he have been murdered to send a message, or was it just another suicide??? Kelly was Iraq source, says BBC Sunday, July 20, 2003 Posted: 8:12 AM EDT (1212 GMT) LONDON, England -- Britain's state broadcaster has admitted that a defense expert who apparently committed suicide three days ago was the source for reports that the government exaggerated intelligence about Iraqi weapons. The BBC made the announcement on Sunday after talking to David Kelly's family. cnn.com