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To: Bridge Player who wrote (3350)7/12/2003 12:06:21 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793578
 
So much for any core, central values in Mr. Bush. Like every other politician, he subjugates core beliefs to the higher interest of reelection.


Yep. It pisses me off also. But it can be a loser. Trying to control immigration in California was right, IMO, but it destroyed the California Republican party and led to the present mess there. I don't think Bush has a position in stone on this issue. When that happens, Rove gets to make the decision.



To: Bridge Player who wrote (3350)7/12/2003 12:17:55 PM
From: LindyBill  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 793578
 
I had never even heard of this guy until MSNBC fired him. They sure are lousy at picking hosts. I am surprised his Radio program in San Francisco has not been bombed.

Raging 'Savage' could use a fix from his New Age books
Dave Ford
Friday, July 11, 2003
©2003 San Francisco Chronicle

URL: sfgate.com

Radio talk shock jock and, now, former MSNBC talk show host "Michael Savage" is a little man who appears to have a big split in his personality.

Indeed, the pint-size piker -- whose daily afternoon drive-time show, "The Savage Nation," originates from San Francisco's KNEW-AM -- is not even "Michael Savage." He is Michael Alan Weiner, a nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn who received a doctorate from UC Berkeley and has written 18 books on herbal healing.

Dr. Weiner is a mystery wrapped in the armor of a "Savage" who blames America's ills on women, gays and lesbians, nonwhite people, "liberals" and immigrants. (This last is odd: Weiner's father immigrated to America from Russia.)

The bullying "Savage" persona is rampaging id personified. In his winsome radio universe, this city is "San Fran Freako," its homeless people "living rats." Single career women over 40 are "human wreckage in high heels." Asians are "little soy eaters," Chinese people "little devils" and Koreans dog- grillers.

He once suggested that female students at a high school in Marin (Weiner lives in San Rafael) participated in a volunteer feed-the-homeless program in San Francisco because of the titillating thought that they might be raped. "Savage" once celebrated Yom Kippur a day early by playing tapes of Hitler's speeches to the accompaniment of German military music.

He has suggested dropping nuclear weapons on China and putting Chinese- Americans who don't sign loyalty oaths into internment camps. He believes that "radical homosexuals" promoted the "diversity myth."

"Savage" understands invective pays. Although no doubt enthralling, it's likely Weiner's herbal books failed to land on the best-seller lists. Talking to a million people at a crack no doubt beats speaking at New Age seminars.

Indeed, this being America, "Savage's" silly spoutings earned him a book contract. "The Savage Nation: Saving America From the Liberal Assault on Our Borders, Language and Culture," released in February, perched atop the New York Times best-seller list for weeks.

In March, he debuted his TV show, "The Savage Nation" (so-named, one assumes, for easy cross-promotion purposes). Executives at MSNBC, which is jointly owned by Microsoft and NBC (the latter is owned by General Electric), apparently hoped to stem viewer slippage by hiring someone who makes Robert Novak appear sane and left-leaning.

But critics "savaged" the show, a ratings dog. The Gay and Lesbian Alliance against Defamation and other groups successfully lobbied large corporations to refrain from advertising on it.

Perhaps not altogether coincidentally, it was an anti-gay rant that got "Savage" fired by MSNBC on Monday: "Oh, you're one of the sodomites," he said to a caller. "You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down,

you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it."

As we've seen, this is hardly unusual invective. Often, however, when responding to perceived attackers -- there are many in his quasi-paranoid world -- "Savage" hides behind others. He has threatened to sic his listeners - - and, weirdly, the U.S. Department of Justice -- on those who cross him.

He's like the obnoxious kid who makes schoolyard taunts, then calls in the bullies to do his dirty work. You could challenge "Savage" to a winner-take- all back-alley brawl and doubt he'd show up without a camera crew. If a "Savage" raves in an alley with no million-plus audience, does he make a sound?

Moreover, just as something that bills itself "world-class" ipso facto is not, something "Savage" fairly reeks of puffed-up wishful thinking, a trait endemic to little men. (Sad to say, the name change also suggests Dr. Weiner knew his right-leaning, largely Christian, white male audience would balk at guidance from a Jew.)

So here's my question: Who, and where, is Michael A. Weiner? A man this angry either has a severe personality disorder or has been deeply hurt.

"Savage" knows no pain; what about Weiner? (He has written that his father psychologically tortured him.)

A man who lays blame outside himself is ashamed of something within. "Savage" knows no shame; what about Weiner? (In an excellent Salon piece, David Gilson reported that, in Weiner's 1983 fiction collection, "Vital Signs, " Weiner-like narrator Samuel Trueblood says his father berated him with anti- gay taunts such as, "You're not a fag, are you, Sam?" Trueblood also notes that, although attracted to "masculine beauty," "I choose to override my desires for men when they swell in me, waiting out the passions like a storm, below decks." Thus psychological nakedness in service of bad prose, and vice versa.)

Michael A. Weiner appears to have been bullied into submission by "Michael Savage," who makes money -- and grasps for social status and fame -- by bullying others. Michael Weiner may be a big man with a good heart and a fine personality. I wonder if we'll ever find out.

Probably not. I'm counting the days until Fox picks up "Savage." The odds that will happen? Split -- not unlike the host.
sfgate.com



To: Bridge Player who wrote (3350)7/12/2003 12:53:34 PM
From: LindyBill  Respond to of 793578
 
When Frontier Justice Becomes Foreign Policy
By THOMAS POWERS - NEW YORK TIMES - WEEK IN REVIEW

American intelligence organizations and military forces, once forbidden from attempts to assassinate foreign leaders by the executive orders of two recent presidents, have now embarked on an open, all-out effort to find and kill Saddam Hussein in a campaign with no precedents in American history.

Despite three strikes aimed at Mr. Hussein since the opening night of the American war on Iraq, intelligence officials have conceded that a recent broadcast of Mr. Hussein's voice is probably genuine. A concession that the Iraqi leader remains alive is also implicit in Washington's offer of a $25 million reward for his capture or proof of his death.

Since President Bush announced the end of major military operations on May 1, it has become increasingly clear that the Iraq war is not over, that there is a concerted campaign of resistance and that Mr. Hussein remains a formidable foe. Over the last 10 days the chief American official in Iraq, L. Paul Bremer III, has frequently stressed the importance of capturing or killing Mr. Hussein.

The campaign to kill him, frankly admitted and discussed by high officials in the White House, Defense Department and Central Intelligence Agency, has committed the United States for the first time to public, personalized, open-ended warfare in the classic mode of Middle Eastern violence ? an eye for an eye, a life for a life.

American officials in the White House and Iraq have argued that Mr. Hussein's survival encourages resistance, and killing him is therefore a legitimate act of war. But the United States has never before openly marked foreign leaders for killing. Treating it as routine could level the moral playing field and invite retaliation in kind, and makes every American official both here and in the Middle East a target of opportunity.

Realists may scoff that war is war and that things have always been this way, but in fact personalized killing has a way of deepening the bitterness of war without bringing conflict closer to resolution. In April 1986 President Reagan authorized an air raid on the home of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi of Libya that spared him but killed his daughter. The Reagan administration never acknowledged that Colonel Qaddafi, personally, was the target, nor did it publicly speculate two years later that Libya's bombing of an American jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 270 people, was Colonel Qaddafi's revenge for the death of his daughter. But the administration got the message: after Lockerbie, Washington relied on legal action to settle the score.

It is impossible to know how, or if, Mr. Hussein's supporters will find a way to retaliate for the American campaign to kill the deposed Iraqi leader, but that effort inevitably reopens a long-simmering American argument over assassination, never embraced openly in so many words but never repudiated once and for all. Despite much tough talk of killing enemies since the Sept. 11 attacks, the Bush administration still shrinks from using the word assassination, and much of the public continues to oppose it as both dangerous and wrong ? dangerous because it commits the United States to a campaign of murder and countermurder, and wrong because hunting people down, however it plays in the movies, excuses murder by calling it something else.

Mr. Hussein himself doubtless understands the first argument, since the man leading the effort to kill him now ? President Bush ? is the son of a man Mr. Hussein tried to have murdered a decade ago.

In the middle of the last century, at the height of the cold war, the United States often wished, sometimes planned and occasionally took concrete steps to kill foreign leaders. The best known of its targets was Fidel Castro.

At least three of the marked men were actually killed ? Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic and Abdul Karim Kassem of Iraq ? but apparently none were killed, or at least not provably, by Washington.

Unlike current efforts, these plots were wrapped in deepest secrecy and vigorously denied until the facts were finally exhumed by a Senate investigation under Senator Frank Church in 1976. The difference now is that the administration has quit arguing the rights and wrongs of killing enemies, and makes plain its determination to kill Mr. Hussein if he can be found.

Killing him appears to be the primary task of a secretive military organization known as Task Force 20. Loosely attached to the Army's Fourth Infantry Division, Task Force 20 can and does draw on the resources of the entire American military and intelligence community. On June 18 it conducted a combined air and ground attack on what has been described as a convoy of S.U.V.'s in western Iraq as it allegedly made a dash for the Syrian border. Five Syrian border guards were wounded and briefly detained, but the Pentagon has declined to say how and especially where ? inside Iraq, or inside Syria?

"Removing Saddam" has been the stated goal of the administration for more than a year, and last fall Ari Fleischer, the White House spokesman, said war with Iraq could be avoided at "the cost of one bullet." This open discussion of killing Mr. Hussein marks a profound retreat from the longstanding insistence that the United States did not and would not use assassination as a tool of state. The revelations by the Church committee in 1976 that the C.I.A. had plotted to kill several foreign opponents including Mr. Castro was described as an aberration; supporters of Presidents Dwight D. Eisenhower and John F. Kennedy insisted they had authorized nothing of the kind, and official efforts to pinpoint responsibility never went further than the words of Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara, who told a Senate investigating committee, "I just can't understand how it could have happened."

Executive orders banning assassination issued by Presidents Gerald R. Ford and Ronald Reagan, prompted by public dismay over the poisoned cigars and exploding seashells intended for Mr. Castro, have never been formally revoked. Mr. Reagan's order flatly states that "no person employed by or acting on behalf of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire to engage in, assassination."

Taking this order literally, President Bill Clinton's national security adviser, Anthony Lake, asked the F.B.I. in 1995 to investigate possible criminal charges (later dropped) against the C.I.A. officer Robert Baer for his efforts to organize a coup that might have ended with the killing of Mr. Hussein. President Bush, in contrast, personally approved the attempt to kill him, without feeling the need to explain why Mr. Hussein was no longer protected by President Reagan's prohibition and without being asked to do so by Congress.

Can it still be called assassination if it is carried out in wartime? Does a White House decision to attack Iraq make it "a war," and thereby turn Mr. Hussein into a legitimate target? Old hands in the intelligence business say that legal questions raised by the deliberate killing of named individuals, the core definition of assassination, are less important than practical matters.

In moments of heat during the cold war, many enemies of the United States were suggested as targets of assassination. Wise heads often urged second thoughts because an assassin, once the deed had been committed, would be in a position to extort blackmail ? or worse, suffer an attack of conscience and go to the newspapers.

Two arguments were regularly cited by those who counseled restraint. The first was implicit in the unwritten cold war rule against killing intelligence officers or political leaders: two can play that game, and once started it is hard to control, as Americans learned in the Lockerbie bombing. Mr. Hussein is not the only figure in danger of sudden death in Iraq at the moment, and it is a tossup who is in greater danger ? Mr. Hussein or Paul Bremer?

But the final argument against assassination, often noted by American intelligence officers, was the most practical ? you might get rid of public enemy No. 1, but who would take his place? Mr. Bremer has cited the survival of Mr. Hussein as a kind of psychological barrier, scaring off some Iraqis who might be willing to work with the Americans, and inspiring others to go on fighting.

But how can Washington be sure that killing Mr. Hussein will be a change for the better? Success might only clear the path for another Iraqi leader, just as intransigent but free of Mr. Hussein's terrible burden of decades of crime against his own people.

Like most questions in wartime, this one is impossible to answer in advance. The administration clearly thinks there is more to be gained than lost, and the public, so far, appears content to wait and see.

Thomas Powers writes frequently about intelligence issues. His most recent book is "Intelligence Wars: American Secret History From Hitler to Al Qaeda."
nytimes.com



To: Bridge Player who wrote (3350)7/13/2003 4:41:33 AM
From: KLP  Respond to of 793578
 
Heard an interview on Fox Radio and Ward Connerly a couple of days ago. Totally agree with his viewpoint!! Most thinking people would agree with him, if they took time to listen to his thoughts. He says he is a black man, and totally resents the Government's intrusion in how many parts of him are what percentage of what race, nationality, religion, and any number of other things....

Found this article he wrote...(there are quite a few online...)

Ward Connerly (back to story)

April 12, 2002

Kudos California! You Are Leading Our Nation in Restoring Basic Freedoms

I applaud the bold anti-discrimination actions underway in California. Thousands of Californians are demonstrating their belief in our basic rights by signing petitions to place the Racial Privacy Initiative (RPI) on the November ballot. The groundswell of support generated by this voter initiative once again confirms President Ronald Reagan's belief that the American people are the true leaders of this great nation.

Throughout history, race classifications have wreaked havoc on American society. From the slave trade to the Holocaust and beyond, classifications have artificially divided us. No one chooses the color of his or her skin, gender, or any of several other categories used to place boundaries between Americans. For decades, this nation has sought to end discrimination, yet taken steps that instead highlight our differences.

During the past 30 years, the number of race classifications has increased 12-fold from five to 63, and to 126 if ethnicity is included. Why? Because programs intended to eliminate discrimination have created a spoils system from which interest groups seek advantage.

Today's laws have so twisted the concept of equality that they place at risk the very principles upon which America nation was founded. Consider the following: present day preference programs at universities shut out students with higher academic achievement in favor of persons of a particular skin color; contracts are awarded at higher costs to taxpayers due to the requirement to set aside a portion of government business to certain groups; teachers receive raises solely based on race or gender; non-white military officers have arbitrary advantage for promotion; and veterans are denied government employment because they have the wrong skin color.

Examples such as these are prevalent throughout our nation and indicate that we've not upheld the basic principles outlined by our founding fathers, and advanced by civil rights giants such as Martin Luther King, Jr., who constantly urged Americans to "live out the true meaning of your creed" to treat people on the basis of the content of their character, which is merit, and not skin color.

Our nation was warned early and often about the danger of making distinctions along racial lines. In 1948, when speaking on behalf of the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund in _Sipuel v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma_, Thurgood Marshall noted that "classification and distinctions based on race or color have no moral or legal validity in our society. They are contrary to our Constitution and laws." As the NAACP's legal counsel in 1954, Marshall noted that "distinctions by race are so evil, so arbitrary and insidious that a state bound to defend the equal protection of the laws must not allow them in any public sphere.

As evidenced by the examples noted above and the fact that fully half of the government's questions on the 2000 census were about race, ethnicity, and national origin, we failed to heed Marshall's warnings. Our journey down the slippery slope of classifications has created a nation in which a primary consideration for academic enrollment, government contracts, promotions, and employment is arbitrary discriminators such as skin color, gender, and ethnic background.

Dividing our nation through classifications ignores one of the foundations that is largely responsible for America's success, namely, that America is a meritocracy in which equality affords us the opportunity to choose our own paths and to achieve as much or as little as we care to. Most Americans believe that all of us are created equal and that success is ensured by discipline, hard work, aspiration, and belief in the individual. Rather than artificially dividing us and establishing dependency programs that encourage mediocrity and dilute our competitive spirit, it's time to focus on that which unites us: namely, that each of us is a unique member of the American family, not faceless members of some hyphenated group.

Both the language of RPI and the reasons for supporting it are simple. RPI says "the state shall not classify any individual by race, ethnicity, color, or national origin in the operation of public education, public contracting, or public employment." The reasons for supporting RPI are as plain as its language: privacy is a civil right in the United States, and race classifications artificially divide our nation. It's time for government to recognize this in the same manner as the citizens of California and to get out of the business of classifying its citizens.

My first-hand experience with government-sponsored discrimination laid bare the effects of classifying our citizens. As a result, I've long been driven to support all efforts aimed at restoring the basic principle of equal rights for every citizen, regardless of race or color. This principle is the centerpiece of our Declaration of Independence, our Constitution, and it is the law as expressed in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Today, Californians who haven't already signed a RPI petition have an opportunity to take a stand for what's right; in November, all Californians will have an opportunity to lead our nation on this issue. If you've not already done so, I encourage you to exercise your right to be heard. Use your American right to shape our future by eliminating processes that divide us.

This article is co-writen by Valery Pech. Valery and her husband were the plaintiffs in the successful Adarand case decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. As a political activist in Colorado, she helped lead a 12-year campaign to eliminate government-sponsored discrimination. Additional information on California's Racial Privacy Initiative is available at www.acrc1.org, or by contacting the American Civil Rights Coalition at 916-444-2278.

Ward Connerly is founder and chairman of the American Civil Rights Institute, a TownHall.com member group.

Contact Ward Connerly | Read his biography

©2002 American Civil Rights Institute

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