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To: epicure who wrote (105150)7/13/2003 6:56:56 PM
From: epicure  Respond to of 281500
 
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tennessean.com

This seems pretty iffy. If this were true surely our fearless leader would be shouting it from the rooftops? Perhaps it simply was too good to be true? It seems pretty irresponsible of this judge to report this before it was verified- don't you think so? And why won't any other news sources touch this? Surely they aren't all liberals.



To: epicure who wrote (105150)7/13/2003 7:30:13 PM
From: Snowshoe  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
Here is the link for the article KLP cited. You can remit my standard $50 search fee via Paypal. For $250 I'll tell you how I found it... <g>

JUDGE FINDS OSAMA-SADDAM LINK
nypost.com

By BRIAN BLOMQUIST

July 12, 2003 -- WASHINGTON - A federal judge helping to rebuild Iraq's judicial system says he's come up with an intriguing document linking Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden.

Federal appellate Judge Gilbert Merritt, who is currently in Iraq, said an Iraqi lawyer brought him documents that included the name of an Iraqi officer in that country's embassy in Pakistan who was described as "responsible for the coordination of activities with the Osama bin Laden group."

"It seems to me to be strong proof that the two were in contact and conspiring to perform terrorist acts," Merritt, a Democrat and longtime family friend of Al Gore, wrote in a dispatch for The Tennesseean newspaper - charges similar to those previously reported by The Weekly Standard.

"Until this time, I have been skeptical about these claims," wrote the Cincinnati-based judge. "Now I have changed my mind."

Merritt, who was sent to Iraq by the Justice Department to help rebuild the country's judiciary, recounted the strange history of how the intriguing document came to light.

He said an Iraqi lawyer recently brought him a Nov. 14, 2002, edition of a newspaper controlled by Saddam's sadistic son Uday that included photos of Saddam, bin Laden, and a "List of Honor" - 600 names of "regime persons," including all 55 of the wanted deck-of-card Iraqis.

The lawyer told Merritt that Uday had published the list to make the men more loyal, but Saddam hit the roof when he saw it and sent his henchmen to confiscate the newspapers, even going door to door to force people to turn them over. The lawyer had kept his copy.

On the list was the name of an Iraqi intelligence officer, Abid Al-Karim Muhamed Aswood, who was based in Pakistan and "responsible for the coordination of activities with the Osama bin Laden group."



To: epicure who wrote (105150)7/13/2003 8:34:41 PM
From: Ish  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 281500
 
<<"A federal judge helping to rebuild Iraq's judicial system says he's come up with an intriguing document linking Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden. ">>

I saw it also but can't find the link.



To: epicure who wrote (105150)7/14/2003 4:14:06 AM
From: spiral3  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
"A federal judge helping to rebuild Iraq's judicial system says he's come up with an intriguing document linking Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden. "

X, imo, the only logical explanation for why this story isn’t making the news is because it’s a trifle. What you’ve read so far is probably about all there is. For example there is nothing said about when this contact was set up. It could have been the week before, so it’s hard to make inferences. Bit of stretch on the judges part, imo.

Finding an al Queda-Iraq connection is not a problem, already numerous low level operatives have been picked up. The iraq response is a question of responsibility, and how folks define this. It’s a question of proportionality,an issue, and accountability, a value, because it’s these that went out the window, or didn’t, depending on your view, after 911.

If they already have the evidence of the kind of al Queda-Saddam connection that we’re all hoping to see one day, then, if only to patch up some bruised credibility, and bolster their reputation as straight shooters, why not set up a schedule of dates to release the information or parts thereof, doctored to fit the situation of course. Surely at this stage it would make sense for Blair at the least, to do something like this, or is it simply that in the court of world opinion, withholding the evidence should not be a crime. Perhaps we should ask Sadam.

It’s easy to hold up your enemies and say they’re connected, sure they are, they’re your enemies - in the WoT, everything is connected, but if you don’t have the evidence of certain specifics, then what Godly reason is there, to make the particular case.

Before the war, Bush and members of his cabinet said Saddam was harboring top al-Qaida operatives
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The administration's key evidence of a link was an operative named Abu Musab Zarqawi, who got medical care in Baghdad in May 2002 after being wounded in Afghanistan. In his Feb. 5 presentation to the United Nations, Powell called Zarqawi "an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al-Qaida lieutenants."

Current and former intelligence officials now say Zarqawi's links to al-Qaida are more tenuous - the CIA now says Zarqawi considers himself independent of al-Qaida, for example. And while Zarqawi spent time in Iraq, it's unclear whether Saddam's regime simply allowed him to be there or actively tried to work with him.

"There was scant evidence there had been any other contacts between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden," Graham said in an interview Friday.

U.S. officials say a handful of suspected al-Qaida members have been captured in Iraq, but most are probably low-level operatives. The biggest catch was a man described as a midlevel terrorist operative who worked for Zarqawi, who was nabbed in April near Baghdad.

Vince Cannistraro, a former CIA counterterrorism chief, said last week it's still unclear how much support Zarqawi and his followers got from Saddam.

"That he (Saddam) was promoting al-Qaida is absurd," Cannistraro said. "That there was a tolerance for a Zarqawi network in Iraq seems clear."

High-level captives from both al-Qaida and Saddam's regime also have denied any links between the two, U.S. officials say. They say al-Qaida leaders Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Abu Zubayda denied their network worked with the former Iraqi government.

Farouk Hijazi, a former Iraqi intelligence operative who U.S. officials allege met with al-Qaida operatives and perhaps bin Laden himself in the 1990s, also has denied any Iraq-al-Qaida ties, officials say.

kansascity.com

True story. My Connection to al–Queda.

Shortly after 911 my office in India received a visit from the son of the Imam of Delhi’s Jama Masjid. He came looking for volunteers for Jihad in Afghanistan. The one Muslim guy who was in the office at the time, ran away and hid himself somewhere. A few days later we received another visit from the same guy, this time he was looking to use the company as a front for transferring monies internationally, but there was one very important proviso – the money could not ever have been touched, metaphorically speaking, by the hand of a Jew. Oona, our Partner there, looked at him, laughed and said, but the company is owned by Jews. He got up and left, never to be seen or heard from again.

It’s quite possible that evidence of a connection that is intriguing, doesn’t prove a damn thing.