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To: Sig who wrote (105296)	7/14/2003 2:41:21 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Some of it is undoubtedly crockery. On the other hand, even the crockery part illuminates the POV of the "other side". I wouldn't dismiss it all as untrue though- you will note that the most "incorrect" parts were in quotes by people on the street. It is obvious their perception is that what they said is true, even if they are wrong (much like some of the people on SI, I might add, those folks absolutely sure of positions, when they have very little (or no) evidence...)

To: Sig who wrote (105296)	7/15/2003 12:54:07 AM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Sig; Re: "I believe we did pull out [of Fallujah], now they are trying to say they drove us out." They aren't "trying to say", they're saying it. And they believe it. So their next plan of action is to drive us out of the rest of Iraq. This is such a joke. What an imbecile it would take to imagine that pulling out of Fallujah would be anything other than a retreat! Let me explain the theory of "Vietnamization". We train the locals to take over the effort of patrolling against the enemy. So the first places you give them control over is the places where the enemy is few and far between. And your first soldiers are recruited from the places where you have a lot of support. The Fallujah retreat breaks with this tradition in several ways. First, it is happening in the most violent section of Iraq. Second, it was done at the demand (threat to resign) of the Iraqis, not the request of the US. Third, it involved troops that were recruited from the most anti-US population. The conclusion the world over is that it was a US retreat. For example, see the Israeli take on it here: #reply-19105268 The Israelis are well familiar with why troops are moved out of Arab territories, and it ain't cause the Arabs have agreed to take over policing for them, LOL. -- Carl