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Politics : Bush-The Mastermind behind 9/11? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (1124)	7/15/2003 9:53:40 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 20039

re: control of the populace - The head of German intel since 1969-1997 said recently, "95% of what world intelligence services do is to control the media" and produce disinformation. That's a startling admission, right up there with the Church Commission when CIA Director Helms admitted 400 of the top people in US media had ties to the intel agencies - Secrecy and hubris inevitably causes overconfidence, and like all 12-year olds learn, its hard to keep up complex lies. These secretive, powerful individuals in the gov't have hubris like a 12-yr old's, they've always been able to hide/control any kind of information or people, going back 30 years. One spook actually said when asked off the record about the limits of intel power that "there could be martial law" declared. Its obvious plans have long been made and are regularly updated for such "contingencies" of great complexity. It's simply organized crime, taken to the logical extreme. My guess is that a few in-the-know individuals like Rumsfeld (ex-RAND director, etc.) have overconfidence in various contingencies for control of the American populace. The way to determine where they might screw up is to look at anything that has worked for 40 years but is changed, for example by the internet. It appears the toothpast won't go back in the tube in the current little scandal, so some will get sacrificed, and they will attempt to make the game go on. However ---- an interesting thing has evolved here. All the phony Florida election engineering, all the phony poll engineering, all the media propaganda engineering, something that has worked for 40 years comes up against a new variable: digital mass memory. Notice the immediate reaction of the administration is to rewrite history, be dismissive, and make incredible statements, before they've had a chance to think about it, assuming, like always, they can change the subject. Just this evening Repubs Frist says incredibly stupid things:"it wasn't Bush's fault, it was British intelligence, and they stand by it". This completely overlooks one tiny little fact.... AMERICANS DON'T GO TO WAR ON THE BRITISH SAY-SO!! Imagine anyone connected at all to reality actually saying that? It's like "My mommy said so" to kids in the schoolyard. Its amazing, all the power players feeling they got America to believe in young Bush, forgetting after 3 years that not everyone believes Bush is a robot. LOL! Suddenly the curtain opens to reveal the sociopaths in the back room controlling the strings and making war with false pretenses, with complete disregard for human life, and, worse, for American lives. These are traitors. If they dare launch another terrorist attack or NK war, or any of the events we see being trial-tested in our media daily (Adm so-and-so says NK nukes are dangerous, SARS ready for another outbreak, arson springs up around DC), way too many are so skeptical that there will be national riots, and Ashcroft will need all the prison camps he can get. The bad side is that all these terrorist incidents are always escalated in scope, due to the need for greater psychological impact to scare Americans. The good side of this is that if we get safely through this, get disclosure and transparency in gov't, and actual public servants once again in gov't, this will have been an innoculation we need as a people to accomodate upcoming technologies that will otherwise most certainly be mishandled. That's my (I hope not Pollyannaish) notion of the collective will to survival. I once wrote a paper in college that collective survival created the impetus to create the internet, as the only possible means for creating solutions to otherwise insoluable problems, i.e. nuclear war with Russia. Likewise, the digital revolution could well be the solution to avoid Bill Joy's "The Future Doesn't Need Us" scenario, where technological threats grow without limit to destroy mankind. Under that optimistic notion, all this political scandal and dogfighting is simply a waystation towards a more informed and skeptical populace, all the media brainwashing is prodding the softheaded ones, and making the rest determined to pay attention. Let's hope so.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (1124)	7/16/2003 2:05:10 AM
From: MSI	Respond to of 20039

I don't know who might be promoted as the next pres, but the insiders are thinking "anyone but Dean", judging by their actions. They can dismiss, discredit or control the rest of them, they think. It's encouraging how vulnerable the neocons can be while spouting rhetoric in venues where they get asked actual questions. I just heard the sparks fly between Ann Coulter and Alex Jones. Great show if you can get it from the archives, it was the 7-10-03 thursday show. She was amazingly ignorant -- besides being the motor-mouth big-gov't punishment freak she usually is, Jones gave her all the time she needed, then easily made her look foolish. She's hawks her book, and says none of the "minor problems" the Bush administration is having matter, since he's all about taxation. Lol! Then Jones asks her about destruction of civil liberties, the Patriot Acts I & II, she says she hasn't even read it, but it "isnt happening, Bush would never do that". She's a lawyer by training, so Jones hits her w. section 513 etc., she says its "absurd" to think tribunals will affect American citizens, and all sorts of other absolute ignorance. The beauty part was 4 or five callers brought up other simple issues, and she falls apart calling them "nut cases" for bringing up Bush family history, facts on the size of gov't, lies from Ashcroft, etc etc. She can't attack them since they don't fit the "liberal" mold of her Washington beltway opponents, all of whom share her love for the patronage of an all-powerful central gov't and constant mind-numbing propaganda. With a few more media outlets like Jones there's hope yet. I don't know if you've seen his documentaries, but the 911/Road to Tyranny is worth duplicating and giving away to friends and enemies alike. It's a little over-produced, but straight and accurate, like if 60 Minutes run by Thomas Paine.

To: Sidney Reilly who wrote (1124)	8/5/2003 12:19:43 PM
From: MSI	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 20039

The dismantling of America the free, Bush on one side and they need their man on the other side. Win win for the ..who are they....shadow government....gloabalist elite.....New World Order......Council on Foreign Relations.....a lot of names for the same people. Someone should start a thread that explores the idea of the NWO, pro and con, from the various sources, like Alex Jones, and others like Al Martin who just thinks its a mainly a Bush crime ring. What do you think? The idea that various major and minor events have some discovered elements of coordination has occured to a lot of people, some of which is (a)no doubt bogus, (b)coincidental, (c)actual, but for different reasons, such as simply lower-level commercial arrangements, (d)actual, in the Brzyzinski neocon sense of reworking world power, (e)actual in the most sinister sense of full-scale manipulation of politics and the press. Its this last (e) that has the most value to the average Joe, since it is the least expected and the most dangerous to our well-being. "Democracy dies behind closed doors"